Originally Posted by Swamp

You're too funny.... just cant get it can you? I know; it's the whole rest of the World that is screwed up but you've got it right.

So let me guess, Pit Bulls are determined to not be able to "Lock" their jaws because they don't come with a key? You've never seen a Pit Bull attack or you're in denial while the footage plays. Pit Bulls lock on with unbreakable determination; they grab the neck of their prey and shake them till they die. As many attacks as I've seen, that support the overwhelming information supporting it, the dog clamps down and even while being beaten with a bat by a strong adult man will not release their death hold on their prey.

Hey have any other family members come to mind that have been mauled by a Golden Retriever? As a joke I tell my friends that story and none of them respond with anything but: "If my son were mauled by a Golden Retriever it would be the first thing I said about the subject". Snowman it's just not something you forget to mention but nice try backpedaling..

Actually its the medical evidence with the structure of the skull, mandible, and muscle structure. A German Shepard and Rottweiler both have a harder and stronger bite but I certainly haven't heard about their locking jaws. As for the whole Golden Retriever thing I really could give a damn less what dog attacked my son as long as it was a dead dog. As far as back peddling I maintain what I have said to be true and will stand by it no matter what you seem to think to be true.

But let's just get this straight you are denying the evidence put forth by almost every respected animal organization in this nation as well as using the CDC's bite statistics while taking them out of context? The ASPCA one of the leading if not top animal organizations in the country have stated that all dogs are a predatory animal by nature and should be treated as such. Key phrase there is all dogs and this was an answer about the specific tenacity of a pit bull.

Keep drinking your Court TV eye witness accounts of pit bull attacks bet you can't pick one out of a line up.

SNOWMAN YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF CRAP.

You should be an Obama speechwriter you spin so well. Clearly the obvious eludes you and the only information you think is right is what says what you believe which is crap. Just because all dogs can bite doesn't mean they all hold the top "most deadly dog" position like Pit Bulls do. What don't you understand about that? Nothing is going to convince you so just remain in La, La land till it hits home.

That's a rhetorical question.... Ta, ta.

Ahh.If we all agreed on everything this would be a perfect world.
As we all know it is so -so far away from being perfect.Sometimes
we just have to agree to dis agree.If that does'nt work then we just
walk away.

As a pitbull owner, I must say that I'm a little biased here, but I've owned various breeds in my 42 years, and hands down, my pit has been the best dog I've ever had. She's been socialized from day one, never hit,slapped, or wrestled with. She's leash and hand/vocal trained. Whenever I take her out with me in public, the first thing most people do is get really nervous and freeze. Then, when she gets to wriggling and licking them, they realize she's just a sweet dog and relax. But I don't allow anyone to encourage her to be aggressive. (y'know what I'm talking about, the play slapping and pushing)

Dogs don't play like humans. They don't interact like humans. Their thought processes are not human. They operate by sight and smell and body language. They have a pecking order. That's just their nature. As responsible owners, we can modify their natural traits to fit in with ours, but in the end, they are still domesticated wolves. In the wild, if a pack encounters a lone wolf, they will do 1 of 2 things. Incorporate it into their pack or kill it. It all depends on how their Alpha handles it. Yes, they do have differing levels of tolerance/aggression, just like every other species here on the planet.

Past dogs I've owned; German Shepards, Labs, Pomeranian, and Chihuahua. The pom and chi were BY FAR the most aggressive. I mean just flat out ferocious! If another dog/cat got within smelling distance, they would try to go after 'em. Just totally nuts!

Pits are just the flavor of the week as far as perceived aggression. In the past it's been German Shepards, Dobermans, Chows, Akitas, and Rottweilers. At one time in America, pits were considered the ideal family pet. Anybody remember the Little Rascals? Petey (the dog) was a UKC registered Amer. pit bull terrier. Buster Brown shoes put its mascot in every shoe with the image of Tige, an American Pit Bull Terrier, to enhance its image as a sturdy, dependable shoe. RCA used Nipper, a pit bull of unknown ancestry, to illustrate the clarity of sound emanating from its phonograph.

The associations with gangs and illegal dog-fighting has pushed Pits to the forefront of the media, and all the negativity that comes with it. When in reality, the American Pit Bull Terrier is a loyal,loving,intelligent, and well-balanced breed that has a long and storied history that is an important part of this country's heritage.

Just like recent events have shown, humans are far more dangerous and likely to snap than Pitbulls, or any other dog for that matter. I get rather upset when I hear of cities/counties outlawing/banning pit bull ownership because of perceived aggression. So, many shelters do not offer pit bulls or any dog that might be part pit bull to be adopted. Insurance companies cancel house insurance if a pit bull is in residence. Neighbors mistake everything from Boxers to Pugs as "pit bulls". Elimination/outlawing of a breed of dog because of poor, irresponsible ownership and media sensationalism is a tragedy to me and a testament to the public's ignorance of the breed's history and true character.

Oh give me a break with your heart felt story. I don't doubt for a minute that there are Pit Bulls in some peoples possession that are not monsters otherwise the breed would be exterminated but your story and the stories of the other few here are isolated dogs and as the compilation of information so clearly and loudly states from organizations that to say the least dwarf your testimony, Pit Bulls ARE THE MOST DANGERIOUS DOG YOU CAN OWN.

I'd suggest you read the entire thread and look at the renowned organizations that contradict your dog (singular) or maybe you can straighten out the ignorance if their experiences. LOL Click on all the URL's and read, and then YOU'LL not be ignorant and blinded by one dog. You are aware that there are states that require a Pit Bull owner to carry a Million Dollar umbrella liability policy to help cover the carnage these dogs are so famous to cause don't you? Gee, wonder why it's only Pit Bulls they require that of? Must be that nasty lying media making those dogs eat their neighbors children then reporting the carnage.

Oh give me a break with your trolling,confrontational style. Using your obviously superior intellectual argument and statistical wizardry, here's some statistics for you:

1) About 40 people (children)per year die by drowning in 5 gallon water pails. A person, during their lifetime, is 16 times more likely to drown in a 5 gal. water pail than be killed by a pitbull.

2) Approx. 50 children in the US are killed by their cribs-25 times the number of adults/children killed by pitbulls.

3)Approx. 150 people a year are killed by falling coconuts, therefore you are 60 times more likely to be killed by a palm tree than a pitbull.

4)Every year, 350 people drown in their bathtubs. You are 151 times more likely to be killed by your bathtub than a pitbull.

5)Every year, more than 2000 children in the US are killed by their parents or guardians, either through abuse or neglect. A child is 800 times more likely to be killed by their caretaker than by a pitbull.

6)It has been estimated that for every pitbull that kills, there are 10.5 million that don't.

So it's obvious to me that water pails, bathtubs, coconuts, and parents are FAR more dangerous than pitbulls, as STATISTICALLY, they kill far more people/children. Yet when's the last time you saw a nationwide campaign to outlaw/ban buckets, palm trees, or bathtubs?

And since we're on a gun forum, do you want me to start quoting statistics for people crippled, maimed, or killed by guns? Using your same logic and "documented" and "irrefutable evidence", I could make the same argument that all handguns should be outlawed because every major study shows that the overwhelming majority of people killed in violent crimes were killed by a handgun. So handguns are the most dangerous weapon out there. Never mind the fact that it takes a human being to pull a trigger. Never mind the fact that it takes a human being to leave a gun loaded and accessible to a child.

Just like all the media fear-mongering about the dangers of certain types of guns and that this gun is more dangerous than that gun, ALL guns can be dangerous. Just because more people are shot with a 9mm does not make it more dangerous than a .357. The FACTS of the matter are human negligence,carelessness and stupidity are responsible for violence, not guns.

The domestic dog is an extremely close relative of the gray wolf, differing from it by at most 0.2% of mtDNA sequence. In comparison, the gray wolf differs from its closest wild relative, the coyote, by about 4% of mitochondrial DNA sequence. All the different breeds and their characteristics and traits have been selectively bred into them by HUMANS. ALL medium/large dogs have the physical and mental capability to kill and maim, because they are predatory animals. But because 10 pitbulls out of 10 million are reported for attacks, and only 4 Labradors are reported, the breed is "FAR" more dangerous and should be outlawed/eradicated? Heck, while were at it, lets do the same with humans. Whatever ethnic group has the highest percentage of violent crimes committed, let's list them as the "MOST DANGEROUS RACE IN THE WORLD!"

But no, we wouldn't do that because it's unethical,biased, and racist.

People like you are hilarious to me because you like to quote statistics and surveys and yet neglect to account for the human factor behind those statistics. You claim that statistics that dispute yours are "biased" or "flawed". LOL.. Just like gun statistics, the overwhelming majority of accidents, attacks, and fatalities can be traced to negligent/uncaring/irresponsible owners. Poor breeding practices, encouraging aggression/fighting, and lack of supervision and proper training are the primary causes of ANY dog attack, not just pitbulls. And the FACT that in a significant # of these attacks, the dogs are not true purebred American bull terriers, but mixed breeds coming from unstable genetic bloodlines and puppy mills.

Yes pitbulls can be dangerous. Yes, they can be an unrelenting, aggressive, and deadly dog, I'm not disputing that. But to lump the entire breed into a category based on the actions of isolated attacks is biased and flawed thinking. Just as all law-abiding gun owners should not be held responsible for the isolated actions of idiots and criminals who abuse their right to own a firearm. My pump- action 12ga. can be a dangerous,unrelenting, and deadly weapon if used irresponsibly. But if someone kicks my front door in, I would consider those traits to be quite valuable. My dog is no different.

I didn't get my dog because I wanted the notoriety of owning a "pit". I adopted her to save her from being killed as a bait dog or seized and euthanized because of her "ethnic" background. She is now 3 years old, socialized with animals and people of all shapes and sizes and fully leash trained. Because I, as a responsible owner, took the necessary steps to train her that way.

You obviously know nothing about responsible ownership and training of ANY animal, because if you did, you would not be spewing the same old rhetoric and fear that the dogs are to blame. The true American Bull Terrier is recognized as a loyal,trustworthy, and noble breed. Why don't YOU do a little research into the breeds true history (I would suggest starting with the UKC/AKC and library of congress) and quit trying to convince others that you actually know anything about the true breed and the history behind it.

I refuse to even read all that twisted justification/gibberish.....

Here's the bottom line; which is the most dangerous dog? Answer; Pit Bull by a landslide.

The question isn't Pit Bulls or swimming pools, but then I ask why you don't include how many people die in automobile accidents verses killed by Pit Bulls.

You ought to run for president; you're good at twisting horrible facts into great news.

Remember, the only question here is which breed of dog is the most dangerous?.....and you cant accept the answer.

I cant wait to see your next perversion of the facts/issue. Go pick a fight you can win...troll.

Then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree Swamp.

I'd call it something very different but I'll go with that so you might post something valuable somewhere since every post since you joined is bellyaching about Pit Bulls being the most dangerous dog.

For the safety of the people around you and God help your children if there are any; don't be more dangerous than your dog by denying reality.

Originally Posted by 77transam

Then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree Swamp.

exactly