There are many opinions out there on Pit Bulls, from media coverage, to a pair of old fellas at the diner talking during breakfast. What's Your opinion on them?:watching:
I guess I was kinda being a weiner. I just love my dog like family as I'm sure you do with your pets, so I get defensive. I guess we'll just agree to disagree, But I see we agree on sigs being amazing!!!!:smt082No .... just common sense. My post are not intended to start any type of argument. Remember, we all vary in our ideas and the choices we make. Nothing against the Pitbull breed. They are just not for everyone. I just don't beleive in them as a family "pet" where there are children involved. I respect your opinion, and that is your right.
Also .... this is a handgun forum, so I try not to get personal on topics other than firearms. We're all here for a reason ... :smt023
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Then quite frankly I don't think you need a dog at all. All dogs need constant nurturing because of the pack mentality that they all have. A lone dog just like a lone wolf is one of the worst animals you can come across. Even your beloved golden retriever if not nurtured or cared for can turn into a vicious unprovoked attacker. I had a retriever try to take my arm off just this weekend and had he not been chained up you would have seen me in the news for shooting a dog at least 5-6 times or until it stopped twitching. My dog nipped at a stranger this weekend and even though it wasn't all his fault I thought long and hard about getting rid of him. The point of all this is any dog can do this I have been harassed by everything from a chow to a min pin to a cocker. All dogs have the capability after all they are an animal and can never be completely tamed.So then you're saying it's just a coincidence that Pit Bulls are the subject of consistent news reports and law suits about Pit Bull attacks and the death and carnage they do while going nuts on people and other dogs and no other breed but a close second Rottweilers? Is it just their strong bite that causes them to grab the neck of their prey and shake them till their death similar to a alligator's death strategy?
Buy the way I had a client and friend whose Rottweiler was so playful and gentle that it completely changed my mind about vicious dogs till I got the call that out of nowhere, the dog, in one bite, almost took her eye out and after several reconstructive surgeries still looks a mess. This is the danger if you're not the Dog Whisperer, you NEVER know when the switch will be pulled by something you'd never expect it to and it's all over but the multiple surgeries trying to put you back together.
When they take our guns, you probably wont be able to afford to or even find one for sale. I know I'm not interested in a "pet" that needs constant psychological nurturing to keep it from becoming a monster.
Did you miss or just blatantly ignore that a golden retriever tried to take my arm off this weekend? I myself and most people I know that own pit bulls live out in the boon docks.Ask yourself this: when you go to buy a dog and at each end of the personality scope there is a Pit Bull that can eat your child for lunch and a Golden Retriever that wouldn't injure a rodent; why do people pick Pit Bulls and who are they and where do they typically live? Enough with the political correctness requiring blinders so the obvious is impossible to see
Yes you should go back and look at the facts and numbers listed in plain black and white earlier in this thread that prove you wrong.the facts are in the actual numbers.
I pick a Pit Bull because of its pure undying loyalty to those that nurture and care for them, I am a good all american man born and bred and raised on a farm not in some suburb as "your numbers" seem to portray. I also chose a Pit Bull because no matter the obstacle a pit bull when raised properly and in a good environment will protect you with it's life and never have a second thought about it. Pit bulls are one owner dogs period. Once they have imprinted on a particular family or pack that is their pack for life no matter what because of it's undying loyalty. This is true with a lot of large breed dogs and why you see so many behavior issues with second and third owner dogs.why do people pick Pit Bulls and who are they and where do they typically live?
My claim was simply that any dog can be vicious and that golden retrievers have the ability to be just as vicious as any other dog. The facts that you call opinions from early in the thread were direct from scientific research but if you prefer to ignore that is fine. At any rate the simple fact I was trying to get across is dogs like people are not predisposed to anything it is the environment and education that they grow up with. As to your liberal statement my guess is your looking in the mirror as like I stated above you ignore scientific research as fact, maybe because you did not care to read the entire thread and didn't realize that it was there or you are blatantly ignoring the ATTS tests showing that:...and you completely ignored my statement that if raised properly, almost with expert skills, they can be a good pet. As far as any claim of fact in a gun forum thread I dismiss that as someones opinion and as you prove, a Pit Bull owners opinion is perverted to the utmost ridiculousness especially when they claim Golden Retrievers are vicious animals and Pit Bulls aren't.
I'm guessing you're a liberal and void of factual information and reject all presented to you. So I'll end my participation in this thread as it cant go anywhere containing reality.
Ta, ta....
first number being amount tested, second amount passed, third amount failed, and percentage of passed. Just food for thought by the way:American Temperament Testing Society said:AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER 772 664 108 86.0%
and so that my post is not taking up an entire page here is the link to the testAmerican Temperament Testing Society said:GOLDEN RETRIEVER 746 631 115 84.6%
I am glad that you came back, I am glad you did research and I am glad that you have decided to show this all in a respectful manner as I will you. However their information on the pit bull is flawed and therefore I am not sure where they pulled it from. The pit bull is not physically capable of locking it's jaw, it is a myth accepted as fact.1. Pit Bulls
A pit bull is a fearless dog that will take on any opponent. They will lock their jaws onto the prey until it's dead. Pit bulls have a reputation of mauling people to death and they are highly sought for dog fighting.
Weight: 55-65 lbs.
Origin: United States
Dogs most often make wonderful pets, however in certain circumstances, any type of dog can be dangerous. Even friendly dogs, can inflict great harm in the wrong circumstance.
And I quote from the American humane society: there is no evidence to support a pit bull can lock its jaw. However your third party surely unbiased author quoted exactly the opposite from the same source... see what I mean about your information being flawed? And to think I would let my children alone with any animal outside of my observation is foolish. Also you misquoted me once again in saying that I said All Goldens are as dangerous as an American Pit Bull. I said that any dog including a Golden can be just as dangerous as a Pit Bull. And if the scar on my son's head is in fact from a breed that simply wouldn't harm a person THEN YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO HIM WHY AT THE AGE OF FOUR HE GOT TO HAVE HIS FACE BITTEN AND COVERED IN BLOOD AND NOW LIVES WITH THAT... fortunately he is not carrying a hatred for your socially acceptable breeds because then he might be a backward thinking liberal that can't even see the evidence on his own face.
You are living under the assumption any animal is safe and for that I feel sorry for you good day to you sir.
That information comes from the conclusion of a study done by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the CDC, and the Humane Society of the United StatesA pit bull is a fearless dog that will take on any opponent. They will lock their jaws onto the prey until it's dead. Pit bulls have a reputation of mauling people to death and they are highly sought for dog fighting.
In regards to what I posted actually it was two different dogs. The one that went after my son was owned by sub standard people who never should have had a dog in the first place the one that went after me was at a family members house and I was on his property and smelled of another dog is the best reason I can provide for it. I did not provoke him in any manner. I am sorry if both of these things did not occur to me at the same time.In post #113 you say your arm almost got ripped off by a Golden Retriever to support the ridiculously incorrect temperament statistics of your favorite "Pit Bulls are precious misunderstood animals" site. Then as the pressure increases that your position is seriously flawed at best, you suddenly remember in your post #121 that your son's face is all but bitten off mentally scaring him for life by a Golden Retriever.
Maybe it's just me but if I was muled by a Pit Bull and even on a separate occasion my young son was also mauled by a Pit Bull and scared for life, I'd put both of those events in the same post to make my point; not escalate the story 8 posts later. I'd say your family is either the unluckiest people in all of mankind; have a neighbor with a rabid Golden Retriever that you and your son taunted till it attacked (not even likely for a rabid Golden but I'll give some latitude here); or you're making up stories here thinking you're going to convince me and I'm stupid; I'm betting the last is true.
In conclusion to your creative writing; I wouldn't say it's impossible but I seriously doubt you could abuse a Golden such that it would maul someone as seems to happen to you and your family regularly. Golden Retrievers typically flee abusers; and I say typically only because you might find one or two in the world that would.
Rest assured now that I have posted my last information. Again sorry but I just couldn't resist pointing out your creative, escalating writing skills.
And for a closing chuckle, the dachshund and retriever is also on the list of animals that have caused fatalities from attacking people.National Canine Research Foundation said:No breed or type of dog has a particular method of attack or inflicts an exclusive type of injury. Claims that one breed of dog inflicts injuries unlike other breeds have no merit.