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  • Pit Bulls as a breed are more dangerous than other breeds.

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  • They are just a dog. They are no more/ less dangerous than other breeds.

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  • Pit Bulls are harmless dogs, they are less dangerous than other breeds.

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    With all things even. A pitbull is more prone to be aggressive than other dogs.

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    Well when the pitbull matures, usually around the age of 3 years, that is when any aggressive tendencies it may have come out... Sounds to me like the dogs you're talking about are from a litter that was born from a dog that was trained to fight, or be aggressive, I may be wrong, but that is what it sound like to me...

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    "With all things even. A pitbull is more prone to be aggressive than other dogs."

    Sam02S2K - The Pit Bull has been proven to be a less aggressive dog by nature than most "common" dogs. This has been addressed earlier in the thread.

    Vagsigmeister -

    Actually you are pretty close with that. It is much more likely for a dog to be aggressive when its bloodline has been used for fighting or violence. Call it genetic learning, instinct, whatever you prefer. However, these activities were taught to the breed by humans, and therefore the aggression is an un-natural trait of the breed. If you have a bloodline that has never significantly been introduced to violence or fighting, they will tend to be far less aggressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falchunt View Post


    "With all things even. A pitbull is more prone to be aggressive than other dogs."

    Sam02S2K - The Pit Bull has been proven to be a less aggressive dog by nature than most "common" dogs. This has been addressed earlier in the thread.

    Vagsigmeister -

    Actually you are pretty close with that. It is much more likely for a dog to be aggressive when its bloodline has been used for fighting or violence. Call it genetic learning, instinct, whatever you prefer. However, these activities were taught to the breed by humans, and therefore the aggression is an un-natural trait of the breed. If you have a bloodline that has never significantly been introduced to violence or fighting, they will tend to be far less aggressive.

    Proven by whom? How do you know the statistics that you put up weren't from pitbull owners?

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    We own an Australian Shepherd. A breed that has not yet been destroyed by the AKC. These dogs instincts are incredibly devoloped for herding. Even at 3 mos. they naturally try to herd anything and everything....Pit Bulls have been bred for eons to fight and to kill....think about that.

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    Look it up...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam02S2K View Post
    Proven by whom?

    Whom? Well...lets see:

    1. The ATTS (American Temperament Test Society)
    2. The AKC (American Kennel Club)
    3. The APDT (The Association of Pet Dog Trainers)
    4. The ADBA (American Dog Breeders Association)
    5. The ADOA (American Dog Owners Association)
    6. The CKC (Continental Kennel Club)
    7. The NKC (National Kennel Club)

    I think you should be able to get the picture.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Sam02S2K View Post
    How do you know the statistics that you put up weren't from pitbull owners?
    Well Sam, that's easy. I know because I don't just post comments about topics that I don't know anything about. I have researched it a great deal. If you had, then you wouldn't have typed the previous question. It only takes a quick google search to find that temperament tests have been done for years and Pit Bulls are not among the breeds at the top of that list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falchunt View Post
    Whom? Well...lets see:

    1. The ATTS (American Temperament Test Society)
    2. The AKC (American Kennel Club)
    3. The APDT (The Association of Pet Dog Trainers)
    4. The ADBA (American Dog Breeders Association)
    5. The ADOA (American Dog Owners Association)
    6. The CKC (Continental Kennel Club)
    7. The NKC (National Kennel Club)

    I think you should be able to get the picture.....




    Well Sam, that's easy. I know because I don't just post comments about topics that I don't know anything about. I have researched it a great deal. If you had, then you wouldn't have typed the previous question. It only takes a quick google search to find that temperament tests have been done for years and Pit Bulls are not among the breeds at the top of that list.
    Every dog was bred for a purpose. I think everyone could agree on that.

    Take a border collie for example. This specific dog was bred for the intention of herding sheep. Through generations of breeding if that dog senses sheep its going to instinctively go start herding sheep.

    So what do you think Pitbulls were bred for? Kill rodents, small animals, go after cattle, and the biggest one dog fighting. So I'm not trying to take away the thousands of great dog owners like yourself that are responsible with their pitbulls. I agree there is the strong possibility every dog can or is different in some way. However, instinctively Pitbulls were bred for a reason and thats why they are considered highly aggressive along with rottweilers, dobermans, german shepards.

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    Pit Bulls were not bred to be dog aggressive, or human aggressive. They were bred not to back down when an animal that weighs 20 times what they do is staring into its eyes, and to have the athleticism to move quickly and force the bull to submit and comply. This was generations ago, and many years of ignorant misguidance has given this breed a bad name. And yes, there are many pit bulls that I would not trust due to their individual history or aggressive nature. This is the same with any breed on earth. Every dog is capable of being violent at any time, and must be respected.

    The discussion that we are having here is how they compare to other breeds. The fact is that when you throw out the cases in which the animal has been directly involved in fighting or abuse, Pit Bulls are more passive than many dogs that humans love and trust as a whole. 82% of Pit Bulls that went through the temperament test passed. In order to pass, the dog must be able to show very good judgement in a situation that is very stressful.

    "The test simulates a casual walk through the park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog's ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions."
    -The ATTS (American Temperament Test Society) website

    One slip up and the dog will fail this test. They do not allow re-takes. There is enough evidence by this test alone to show that the breed is not naturally agressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falchunt View Post
    Pit Bulls were not bred to be dog aggressive, or human aggressive. They were bred not to back down when an animal that weighs 20 times what they do is staring into its eyes, and to have the athleticism to move quickly and force the bull to submit and comply. This was generations ago, and many years of ignorant misguidance has given this breed a bad name. And yes, there are many pit bulls that I would not trust due to their individual history or aggressive nature. This is the same with any breed on earth. Every dog is capable of being violent at any time, and must be respected.
    I never said anything about Pitbulls were bred for sheer aggressiveness. I only stated that they were bred for a specific purpose and that purpose made them more aggressive than any other breed. Do you think a dog not backing down isn't aggressive? You stated that, "They were bred not to back down when an animal that weighs 20 times what they do is staring into its eyes, and to have the athleticism to move quickly and force the bull to submit and comply.This was generations ago, and many years of ignorant misguidance has given this breed a bad name." You think generations of an animal being subjected to that doesn't have some form of effect on the animal today?

    Quote Originally Posted by falchunt View Post
    The discussion that we are having here is how they compare to other breeds. The fact is that when you throw out the cases in which the animal has been directly involved in fighting or abuse, Pit Bulls are more passive than many dogs that humans love and trust as a whole. 82% of Pit Bulls that went through the temperament test passed. In order to pass, the dog must be able to show very good judgement in a situation that is very stressful.
    So how many Pitbulls do you know that have been in fighting/abuse situations and are actually passive? "You state that Pit bulls are more passive than many dogs that humans love and trust as a whole." Thats an entirely emotional statement with no facts to back up. Don't you think you're being a bit bais considering you were or are a pitbull owner? 82% of pitbulls went through the test. 82% of what? 82 percent of pitbulls in the world? I highly doubt that.

    Quote Originally Posted by falchunt View Post
    The test simulates a casual walk through the park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog's ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions."
    -The ATTS (American Temperament Test Society) website

    One slip up and the dog will fail this test. They do not allow re-takes. There is enough evidence by this test alone to show that the breed is not naturally agressive.
    You're giving me a test thats in a completey controlled environment. You can't possibly be able to put a dog through every possibly scenerio to see if hes aggressive or not. You don't know whats going through a dogs head. For all you know a child walking down the street isn't threatening to the pitbull but a child throwing a frisbee is and thats what makes the dog attack. You mean to tell me one test is all you need to convince you that this dog is in fact not "naturally aggressive?"

    The facts are that the dog was bred for a specific purpose. Generations of breeding is what makes the dog the way it is today. The facts are the facts. Do I have anything against Pitbulls? No, and I'm sure they are great dogs with the owners on here. Will I ever own one? Probably not. I'm not sure I'm responsible enough to watch a Pitbull with its energetic temperment and take on the responsibility if it ever gets out. I've had numerous dogs however I think my next dog will be a more laid back one like an English Bulldog. haha

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    Slow down

    Ok, I think you need to slow down and READ a little before you respond.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam02S2K View Post
    82% of pitbulls went through the test. 82% of what? 82 percent of pitbulls in the world? I highly doubt that.
    If you re read what I wrote you will see that I stated OF the Pit Bulls THAT WERE tested, 82% passed. Just FYI, there were over 600 randomly chosen Pit Bulls for the test. The numbers tested for other breeds varied, but very few had as many as the APBT. What this shows is that the breed has good self control. Many breeds were close to the 70% area for passing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sam02S2K View Post
    You state that Pit bulls are more passive than many dogs that humans love and trust as a whole." [/B]Thats an entirely emotional statement with no facts to back up. Don't you think you're being a bit bais considering you were or are a pitbull owner?
    Actually it is quite opposite of what you are saying here. The facts are in the temperament test. If you look it up, you will likely be surprised that the most aggressive dogs out there are poodles, collies, etc. However, poodles and collies are widely accepted as "family pets" whereas Pit Bulls are portrayed as vicious dogs owned by drug dealers.

    As far as being biased, yeah I could very easily be biased, and rightfully so. I have had 3 Pits total of my own, 2 of which I still have. There is no other dog or animal in the world right now that has more of a negative image than the pit bull. When was the last time that you saw an image of a Pit on TV wagging his tail and playing fetch with his owner? A majority of the negativity stems from the irresponsibility and immaturity of humans and not wrongdoing of the breed.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sam02S2K View Post
    Generations of breeding is what makes the dog the way it is today.
    Now here is where we can totally agree
    People have mistreated this dog for hundreds of years, abused the athleticism and power, and we point the finger at the dog??? Where does that make sense? It makes a big difference what bloodline of dog you have for what characteristics you will get. My point is that if the dog's older generations have not been abused or used for dog fighting you will have a loyal, athletic, fun loving, often goofy, kid friendly, incredible animal. Therefore, it is not NATURAL for the animal to be aggressive, but a learned trait.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sam02S2K View Post
    Will I ever own one? Probably not. I'm not sure I'm responsible enough to watch a Pitbull with its energetic temperment
    I am glad that you are being honest with yourself, and I only wish that more people were. They really are a handful, they have more energy than I could possibly have and they need to be exercised a lot. sometimes that is difficult to do, with everyone's busy schedules. I am lucky enough to own and live on several acres of land out in the middle of nowhere, so my pups have free roam out here.

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    I really only have three rules in life:

    1- Don't ever own a Self Defense Handgun that requires two hands to shoot.
    2- Don't own a motorcycle heavier than I can lift.
    3- Don't ever own any pets that I can't take in a fight.

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    I will admit I didn't read the entire thread but I read most of it and the responses of most people. To give you alittle background I have a year and a half old pitbull and a 6 month old chocolate lab oor yeah and a 5 and a half month old son. My pitbull is the best dog I have ever had, non confrontational, and even though as a parent I could nto do this with any animal but I would feel completely secure leaving my pitbull alone with my son for a couple minutes (the reason not to is because my son is an infant and you don't leave them alone period) however I have raised my dogs correctly, and in an attempt to copy the temperment tests, I, or my wife, or believe me a stranger to the household can grab her paws, ears, pull her tail, seperate her pads on her feet, cover her eyes, do pretty much anything you could imagine that would upset a dog and I stand by that 100%. So for those saying that pit bulls are inherently evil/violent/dangerous you have to ask yourself what situation the dog was brought up in. I know that has been stated and I have met unfriendly pit bulls however they were bred by druggies that beat the dog so what could you expect.

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    It's all how you raise your dog.There are some exceptions tho.

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    I don't like how the poll questions are phrased, it gives a misleading ideal so I chose other.

    yes they ARE more dangerous than other breeds, in that a pitt bull that attacks you will cause significantly more damage than a chihuahua, a poodle, or a dobermen pincher. this isn't the dogs fault, the breed is simply capable of doing more damage.

    that being said akita's hunt bears and have a much large maw and bite force than any pitt bull I've seen and thus dog's more POTENTIALLY dangerous (ie damaging) than pitt bulls exist.

    however this is NO way shows that pitt bulls are inherently dangerous as the media would like to portray. I've known pitt bulls to be just as sweet as the most child friendly golden. it's all in the upbringing, period.

    it's unfortunate my viewing of them has been skewed as of late, I now see them as being relatively small dogs, whereas growing up I always thought of them and being pretty big. damned bulky akita's got me all out of calibration.

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    I love my pitbull!!!!! It's all about how YOU raise them. Too many people raise them as inmates rather than members of the family, it's a dog not a status symbol. Any dog can be mean it rests in the hands of the owner. You treat any animal like crap it's gonna be aggresive. Media as it does with everything just blows this way out of porportion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8Eric6 View Post
    I love my pitbull!!!!! It's all about how YOU raise them. Too many people raise them as inmates rather than members of the family, it's a dog not a status symbol. Any dog can be mean it rests in the hands of the owner. You treat any animal like crap it's gonna be aggresive. Media as it does with everything just blows this way out of porportion.
    +1 I've owned guard/family dogs for the better part of 40 years, including Pits, Dobies and Rotties. They all were exceptional family members. Some were a little head strong but with proper, constant training they were brought into the fold. They are all smart, they can and will learn. It is the owners commiment or lack of that makes the differance. True, adopted dogs can be extremely difficult but they too can be transformed. I have had both, raised as pups and adopted. Right now I have a small 100lb.abused Rottie and an adopted pit/mix street dog that are some of the best I've had. Both are little babies to family members, and still are exceptional watch dogs. Nothing gets past the little female's ears. One bark and the big guy is on alert. I appoligize for rambling but it just gets to me when people talk down breeds of dogs, because they got barked at or charged at when they got too close to someone's fence.There is no bad breeds, only idiot owners.

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    Like I have said before. I own a pitbull who is now 1 yr old I also own a Rott who is 4 yrs old. They are the 2 best dogs I have ever had in my life. I have a 5yr old on and a 3 yr old son who climb all over them ride them pull them. My 3 yr old son was attacked by a dog back in April and has had several surgeries. The dog got his face and both eyes. They thought my son would lose his vision. This was a family pet I was told over and over she will never hurt a fly! What breed was she you will ask. She was a english bulldog. She ripped into my sons face. No one has ever heard of a dog that size being small.. I was even more upset when a different doctor would come into the hospital room and say so he was attacked by a PITBULL..... I got to the point where I would say look I own a pitbull and no this was not done by one.

    it is not just pitbulls that are mean it is any and every dog. that cute little weenie dog could tear into you just as fast as a lab could. So stop judgeing a dog cause of its breed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope's Distributing View Post
    Like I have said before. I own a pitbull who is now 1 yr old I also own a Rott who is 4 yrs old. They are the 2 best dogs I have ever had in my life. I have a 5yr old on and a 3 yr old son who climb all over them ride them pull them. My 3 yr old son was attacked by a dog back in April and has had several surgeries. The dog got his face and both eyes. They thought my son would lose his vision. This was a family pet I was told over and over she will never hurt a fly! What breed was she you will ask. She was a english bulldog. She ripped into my sons face. No one has ever heard of a dog that size being small.. I was even more upset when a different doctor would come into the hospital room and say so he was attacked by a PITBULL..... I got to the point where I would say look I own a pitbull and no this was not done by one.

    it is not just pitbulls that are mean it is any and every dog. that cute little weenie dog could tear into you just as fast as a lab could. So stop judgeing a dog cause of its breed!
    Thank you and I am hoping that you son recovers fully and does not have any lasting effect of fear for dogs in general. That would be a damn shame, again I'll state any dog will attack if it is not trained right. it is the owner's total commitment to training ANY dog.
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    Wherever they go ..... trouble soon follows.

    Do you ever see that breed as a Leader Dog ?

    Or a Police Dog ?

    We all make choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sig225 View Post
    Wherever they go ..... trouble soon follows.

    Do you ever see that breed as a Leader Dog ?

    Or a Police Dog ?

    We all make choices.
    What breed are you refering to?

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