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  • Pit Bulls as a breed are more dangerous than other breeds.

    56 40.29%
  • They are just a dog. They are no more/ less dangerous than other breeds.

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  • Pit Bulls are harmless dogs, they are less dangerous than other breeds.

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    A Guy I know had a pit bull mix. It was completely unruly and frankly, stupid. It bit his kid. He got sick of it so took it out into the country and let it go. He said if it wanted to act like a wild animal it could go live like a wild animal.

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    OK for some reason these discussions irk the crap out of me. Look at it like this. A number of years ago Dobies were consider the bad breed and aggressive. The one my parents had hen I was little would let me pull it's tail roll around on it. My mom had my dressed on sunday and I wanted to go swimming in my kiddie pool. After she told me several times no I bolted out the door towards the pool. She picked me up went to spank me and the Dobie grabbed her by the wrist. Didnt draw blood and wouldnt let her spank me. She would get between me and the garbage man when he would come. Someone ended up taking her. My aunt who lived down a few yards away gae a description of the car but nothing was done after.

    Forward a couple of years later. Dobie was considered a good breed and Rotties were the bad ones. Now Rotties arent bad and pits are the bad ones. I have seen aggressive shit-zus, (since I cant spell it the taco bell dogs), labs, etc. They are known to be full of energy and be agressive. The majority has to do with the owner. As with any dog it is best to get them when they are a pup and raise them how you want them to be.

    Working as a garbage man I got chased by several dogs. There was a gorgeous pitbull that was by the fence. I would walk up to get he trash can and he would do the whole submit to authority by laying down. His cropped tail just a wagging. So not being scared of dogs I reached over the fence. He jumped up and licked the crap out of me. Needless to say every Tuesday morning abou 7:30 I would pet her and she would get a dog treat. I hate the fact they moved.

    My lanlords husband has a pit that is nice as can be. I went to a guy who raises them. Only one was semi agressive. The rest even the older ones just wanted attention. Pitbulls are the one of the few breeds that has never tried to come after me. The worst being just mutts. Like lab and collie mixes stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algore is a fatwoman View Post
    A Guy I know had a pit bull mix. It was completely unruly and frankly, stupid. It bit his kid. He got sick of it so took it out into the country and let it go. He said if it wanted to act like a wild animal it could go live like a wild animal.
    Stupid people like this shouldnt own animals to begin with. You can always find someone who can take care of it and give it the attention and discipline they need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algore is a fatwoman View Post
    A Guy I know had a pit bull mix. It was completely unruly and frankly, stupid. It bit his kid. He got sick of it so took it out into the country and let it go. He said if it wanted to act like a wild animal it could go live like a wild animal.
    Stupid people like this shouldnt own animals to begin with. You can always find someone who can take care of it and give it the attention and discipline they need. Someone who just lets a animal who has been domesticated out in the wild fend for himself. Should be dropped off in the middle of a ton of woods and made for them to defend for himself with his barehands.

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    Lightbulb Stupid is as stupid does

    Quote Originally Posted by algore is a fatwoman View Post
    A Guy I know had a pit bull mix. It was completely unruly and frankly, stupid. It bit his kid. He got sick of it so took it out into the country and let it go. He said if it wanted to act like a wild animal it could go live like a wild animal.
    Your friend sounds like the exact kind of moron who gives this breed a bad name. People like him should not be allowed to own a dog, let alone have kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falchunt View Post
    Your friend sounds like the exact kind of moron who gives this breed a bad name. People like him should not be allowed to own a dog, let alone have kids.
    I have to agree with you. On the other hand, attacks like what happened today (see story below) should NOT be happening for any reason whatsoever, EVER.


    Dog pack escapes yard, mauls Fontana kids

    FONTANA, Calif. (KABC) -- A pack of dogs escaped from a fenced yard in Fontana Monday and mauled three kids. One was released from the hospital, another needed 327 staples and one is still hospitalized in critical condition.

    Police said five dogs got out of their owner's yard and attacked the siblings, ages 5, 6 and 7, on Tokay Avenue, just south of Arrow Boulevard. The mother of the victims was taking her children out for a walk to the park when the dogs, a mastiff, a purebred pitbull and three other mixed dogs, attacked.

    Authorities said the injuries to 5-year-old Destiny Colon were the worst. The mastiff punctured her lung, broke her rib cage and ripped various muscle tissue. As of Tuesday evening, she was still at Loma Linda University Childrens Hospital on ventilator support.

    Fontana police said someone at the hospital called after the attack to ask if they had recovered any muscle tissue because if they had, they might be able to reattach it.

    "You couldn't ask for too much more of a tragic situation here. You're on your way to a park to take your kids for a reward after school, and you're attacked by a pack of dogs," said Sgt. Jeff Decker of Fontana police.

    "I felt helpless. I couldn't help her, but I had five other kids I was trying to help," said Josie Arellano, the mother of the attacked children.

    "They knocked us to the ground, and when I turned around, they had Destiny and they were brutally attacking her, biting on her. There were two dogs that were trying to demolish her right there," described Arellano.

    "I felt like they were going to eat her alive right there, and I was screaming and some kid happened to hear me, and he came out of nowhere and he started throwing rocks at the dogs. My son came and started throwing rocks, but they wouldn't let her go," Arellano described through tears.

    One officer said he was forced to shoot and kill a pit bull because it was so aggressive.

    The other dogs of mixed breeds were removed by Animal Control.

    "Probably the scariest I've seen in the 12 years I've been doing this," described Jamie Simmons of San Bernardino Animal Control.

    "Anytime you have a pack mentality of dogs, it creates a dangerous situation, and I'm relieved they're here and not at large," said Simmons.

    "The mother informed us that one of the dogs had actually pulled a child from her arms, and tossed the child around like a rag doll," said Sgt. Jeff Decker of San Bernardino Animal Control.

    Residents are furious that something like this had to happen in the first place.

    One resident, who has been in the neighborhood for 30 years, says she knows the aggressiveness of these animals well.

    "They would come after horses, after people. Everybody was in danger. I'm not surprised," she said. "When people have dogs that are dangerous and they can get out of the yard, what can you expect? Those people need to be stopped."

    The dogs live on another street and were being held by Animal Control. They are scheduled to be put down.

    At the very least, the dogs' owner will be getting a citation. More serious criminal charges could be pending against the owner if it's determined that he did not do enough to secure the dogs.
    (Copyright 2010 KABC-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)


    http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...ire&id=7252812

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    Yes but see it wasnt just the pitbull, so you cant blame that on the breed. Couple of things that arent mentioned. How they were raised and treated, and did the kids ever go outside and play and throw stuff or poke the dogs or do anything to provoke them.

    My dog has never bit anyone. Neighbors say the little girl walked up to the fence and he tried to bite her. I was sitting outside for fresh air the other night and one of her sisters and her sister's friends was outside. I heard him bark and knew why he was barking. I heard I will shut him up and he wimpered. I was like what the hell then one was like ssshhhhh he cant find us. So I grabbed my flashlight and shined it on them they ran in.

    I walked over to talk to my neighbor who basically told me to prove it, keep my dog inside instead of our fenced in property and get off his. I lost my cool and told him I would throw rocks at his kids next time they were outside late and yelling and screaming. Then he ran off at the mouth threatening to shoot me and blah blah blah.

    Sad story but we dont know everything and you cant blame one breed. Not to sound too racist. But I can tell you all the dog attack storie I read on line 95% of the time envolve Mexican or someone os hispanic descedant.

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    OK we are getting way off point, as usual. The only thing one can take from the story Bear listed, is that a dog is an animal that has to be respected, and must have responsible owners. A horribly tragic story, but this story has nothing to do with Pit Bulls as a breed, or their tendancies. If anything, you could say that mixed dogs cannot be trusted because there were three of them in this story that attacked the kids. Even this would be a foolish statement. It seems fairly obvious to me that the owners in this story are at fault. It sounds like they had too many dogs in the first place, and they weren't paying any attention to ANY of them. Once again, it comes down to the environment that the animals were in.

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    I voted for the second one. I feel like it's all about how you bring the dog up. I have a few freinds that have more than one Pitt and there the nicest coolest dogs ever. But if your mean and whoop on it of course there going to be mean and may attack with no warning

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    I have only been personally around about 5 Pits. And they were all more aggressive than other breeds I have been around.

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    57% of all human fatalities from dog bites over the last five years were attributed to pitbulls.49% over the last 30 years.It looks like this breed has given its self a bad name.I think this is a more aggressive breed just like my chow,but with proper training and socialization this aggressive nature can be overcome.You can't just throw this breed out in the backyard or on a chain and ignore it except for feeding because nothing good will come of it.It takes work and training to get a good dog.

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    I want one, I think the only reason they tend to be aggressive is the owners and training they get... If they are bread to be aggressive they will be

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    Quote Originally Posted by tc15 View Post
    57% of all human fatalities from dog bites over the last five years were attributed to pitbulls.49% over the last 30 years.It looks like this breed has given its self a bad name.I think this is a more aggressive breed just like my chow,but with proper training and socialization this aggressive nature can be overcome.You can't just throw this breed out in the backyard or on a chain and ignore it except for feeding because nothing good will come of it.It takes work and training to get a good dog.
    Something to consider tc15,

    Let's say for a moment that German shepherds were the "fighting dog" of choice by your local redneck. Lets also assume that he has been training 30 German Shepherds to fight for 6 years. Many other locals follow suit, because this gentleman fighting GS has been very successful. Next thing you know, there are 40 people bringing GS to the dog fights, and soon after many people are purchasing champion fighters to protect their home, because they scare people. I would say the odds are pretty high that a dog with a history of training in violence, in a new environment, will eventually cause problems.

    Now knowing what you already know about German Shepherds, would this situation make the breed self responsible for their bad name?

    Let me help you with that, the answer is no.

    Pit Bulls, as a breed, are less "aggressive" or have a better temperament than most other breeds on the planet. Cocker Spaniels, Chihuahuas, Labs, sheepdogs, Rottweilers, Toy Poodles, Dachshunds, Giant Schnauzers, and Miniature Pinschers are all considered to be more naturally aggressive than Pits.

    The media always seems to target a certain breed to push negative stereotypes and a poor image onto. For a long time it was the Doberman who was the "vicious beast" of the dog world, now it is the Pit Bull. I believe that some day the negative attention will pass, and people will see this breed for what it is. A fun, athletic, proud breed who are loyal to their owners.

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    You could torment and beat the hell out of a poodle until it got the point of being mean and dangerous.
    I think it's ignorant for people to say pitbulls are dangerous. Please do not be offended if you suffer from pitbullaphobia. Cars are dangerous...if you intentionally try to run somebody over. Same way pitbulls are dangerous...if you train them to attack people. I've trained my black labs to attack somebodythat isn't supposed to be on my property. But because the pitbull can do more damage
    My last roomate had a pitbull. Nicest dog in the world. You could put your face in her feed bowl while she was eating, she would probably back up until you were done eating. An extremely rare, well mannered, nice pitbull? Nope, just one that was raised right. I would trust my kids to pull on her ears and yank on her tail, and the thought would never cross my mind that she would hurt them.
    It's all about publicity. One cop gets attacked by a pitbull that hits channel 6 news with a dumbass for an owner and they get a bad rap. Sure they're capable of ripping your arm off, but only if you teach them to use that capability. I honestly feel bad the dog because it's probably gonna get put to sleep, when it's the owner that needs a shot of go-to-sleep-for-good.
    I have the ability to shoot anything I want. If I choose to go out and shoot everything I see does that make it the guns fault..or mine?
    Bottom line, pitbulls are like guns. In the wrong hands, they could hurt or kill somebody. But it wouldn't be the guns fault, nor the dog. It's the owner that doesn't appreciate or respect what it is capable of.

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    IMHO it is a two part problem. Pits were bred as tenacious fighting dogs. Too many people train (abuse) them to be dangerous animals. How many hoody types do you see with violent pits. It has become a drugs-R-us icon.

    You should take the Pitbull test LINK and you might be surprised at what you thought was a pitbull. Just click on the pictures after you guess of course.

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    Guessed the picture on the first try though a couple about threw me off. But then again when I was looking on getting a dog I did alot of research. So alot of those breeds I had seen before.

    But thank you for posting that. At work they would always bash pitbulls and on the news we would hear about "pitbull" attacks. And they would make remarks. I always said uneducated people wouldnt know a bulldog from a pitbull. And most of the "pitbulls" that I have seen on attacks are only part pitbull. But mainly mutts.

    My landlord she has a pitbull. I had to help my wife take care of it and 3 other dogs while they went away. She would growl at me but not my wife. She would attack. With the landlord Gracie (the pitbull) sat beside me and when I sat on the couch she jumped on the couch beside me and laid down putting her head in my lap and wouldnt move. And my wife or the other dogs couldnt come near me. Very sweet dog.

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    Dogs become what their owners make them, irresponcible owners make bad dogs. I've known a few pit and they were fine family pets. I prefer my Rotties, they take bigger bites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiu-jitsu fighter View Post
    ...And my wife or the other dogs couldnt come near me. Very sweet dog.
    I'm not quite sure how those two statements fit together. I'm guessing that you don't have children?

    Any animal that has aggression issues that will not allow others to come near you is completely unacceptable, period, end of discussion. That is a very dangerous situation.

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    My daughter has 2 pits....raised them from puppies. Pretty sweet dogs, but even at 12 weeks old, would sit back and be stand offish. They are now going on 2.5 yrs. They are very aggressive(kill or try to) any dog that they can get to. Does not matter what the other dog does...they attack(pack mentality????) do not know.

    I go to their house every week. Dogs have always loved me, run right up and say hi. That last few months....more stand offish. One comes up after a min. or two of talking to her...always wagging a tail. The other one waits and sees..after a few min. she comes up, very carefully. Why? have no idea. I bring them treats and have seen them weekly since pups.

    I work on their pool. I had my service guy and girl, he was training her, go do a service call there. While my daughter's boyfriend was there....no problem. He leaves after 45 min. As soon as he leaves, dog gets very aggressive. They had to hold equipment between them and the dog to make it back to the truck.... Boyfriend thinks it is funny. I do not.

    Neighbor has 2 Pits.....keep chewing,digging out. My wife and I arrive home from bird store. My wife is carrying her bird up our driveway when Pit decides to attack my wife. My chocolate lab saves her and bird. Protects and fights until I can get to them. Kick crap out of dog....finally decides to give it up. Dog owner did not grab it and sat there and watched attack like no big deal.. Finally grabbed it when I told her I was fixing to kill their dog if he charged us again... week later.....digs in to my yard and goes after my dogs when I let them out. Not a good idea......does make it back to his yard. Does it twice more in the next week. Leaves when he sees me now.

    I come home for lunch, pit is messing with a lady walking her baby. Lady is freaking, dog acting real aggressive. I am convinced dog would have attacked them if I would not have showed up. I go after dog and runs back home. Lady at 1st thought it was mine...I told her where it lives... she called police. Nothing happens. ( The whole time dog owner keeps telling us how sweet he is)

    They decide to get another puppy!!! What a brilliant idea!!!. I come home for lunch, dogs attack my dogs, i go nuts.... the Pit owner sees me chasing her dog around trying to kill it. (in my backyard) Next day she decides to move out of neighbors house. Thank God.

    I am walking my dog, Pit runs up and attacks us. My dog grabs it by the throat and hangs on. Pit takes off...turns right around and attack again. Dog grabs it again....I kick crap out of it. Pit hobbles about 20 turns around and charges again. My dog and it go crazy at it. My dog ended up breaking one of his fangs off in the Pitbulls face. It only quit because I was kicking the crap out of it. It was hurting when it left. Animal control came and put it down. I WOULD have shot that dog. I did not have my CHL at the time.

    I do not trust them. I tried to be open minded, but my daughters dogs are convincing me the are just aggressive.

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    Bummer bps. Definately not confidence inspiring. I'm seeing a lot of back and forth on this topic which I admited several pages back that I'm anything but an expert on this subject. Starting to think though, based on the longevity of this thread and how so many people either own, owned or personally know pit bulls here, that the sheer numbers that are out there may have something to do with it all. If I recall correctly I have personally known 6 Golden Retrievers and I own 2 of those 6. I can't think of any other breed I can say that about and to my knowledge have never personally known a Pit bull. One thing I've taken away from this discussion is they sure must be prolific little suckers for so many people to be so familiar with them.

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