There are many opinions out there on Pit Bulls, from media coverage, to a pair of old fellas at the diner talking during breakfast. What's Your opinion on them?:watching:
I'm not quite sure how those two statements fit together. I'm guessing that you don't have children?...And my wife or the other dogs couldnt come near me. Very sweet dog.
Proven by whom? How do you know the statistics that you put up weren't from pitbull owners?:roll:
"With all things even. A pitbull is more prone to be aggressive than other dogs."
Sam02S2K - The Pit Bull has been proven to be a less aggressive dog by nature than most "common" dogs. This has been addressed earlier in the thread.
Vagsigmeister -
Actually you are pretty close with that. It is much more likely for a dog to be aggressive when its bloodline has been used for fighting or violence. Call it genetic learning, instinct, whatever you prefer. However, these activities were taught to the breed by humans, and therefore the aggression is an un-natural trait of the breed. If you have a bloodline that has never significantly been introduced to violence or fighting, they will tend to be far less aggressive.
Whom? Well...lets see:Proven by whom?
Well Sam, that's easy. I know because I don't just post comments about topics that I don't know anything about. I have researched it a great deal. If you had, then you wouldn't have typed the previous question. It only takes a quick google search to find that temperament tests have been done for years and Pit Bulls are not among the breeds at the top of that list.How do you know the statistics that you put up weren't from pitbull owners?
Every dog was bred for a purpose. I think everyone could agree on that.Whom? Well...lets see:
1. The ATTS (American Temperament Test Society)
2. The AKC (American Kennel Club)
3. The APDT (The Association of Pet Dog Trainers)
4. The ADBA (American Dog Breeders Association)
5. The ADOA (American Dog Owners Association)
6. The CKC (Continental Kennel Club)
7. The NKC (National Kennel Club)
I think you should be able to get the picture.....
Well Sam, that's easy. I know because I don't just post comments about topics that I don't know anything about. I have researched it a great deal. If you had, then you wouldn't have typed the previous question. It only takes a quick google search to find that temperament tests have been done for years and Pit Bulls are not among the breeds at the top of that list.
I never said anything about Pitbulls were bred for sheer aggressiveness. I only stated that they were bred for a specific purpose and that purpose made them more aggressive than any other breed. Do you think a dog not backing down isn't aggressive? You stated that, "They were bred not to back down when an animal that weighs 20 times what they do is staring into its eyes, and to have the athleticism to move quickly and force the bull to submit and comply.This was generations ago, and many years of ignorant misguidance has given this breed a bad name." You think generations of an animal being subjected to that doesn't have some form of effect on the animal today?Pit Bulls were not bred to be dog aggressive, or human aggressive. They were bred not to back down when an animal that weighs 20 times what they do is staring into its eyes, and to have the athleticism to move quickly and force the bull to submit and comply. This was generations ago, and many years of ignorant misguidance has given this breed a bad name. And yes, there are many pit bulls that I would not trust due to their individual history or aggressive nature. This is the same with any breed on earth. Every dog is capable of being violent at any time, and must be respected.
So how many Pitbulls do you know that have been in fighting/abuse situations and are actually passive? "You state that Pit bulls are more passive than many dogs that humans love and trust as a whole." Thats an entirely emotional statement with no facts to back up. Don't you think you're being a bit bais considering you were or are a pitbull owner? 82% of pitbulls went through the test. 82% of what? 82 percent of pitbulls in the world? I highly doubt that.The discussion that we are having here is how they compare to other breeds. The fact is that when you throw out the cases in which the animal has been directly involved in fighting or abuse, Pit Bulls are more passive than many dogs that humans love and trust as a whole. 82% of Pit Bulls that went through the temperament test passed. In order to pass, the dog must be able to show very good judgement in a situation that is very stressful.
You're giving me a test thats in a completey controlled environment. You can't possibly be able to put a dog through every possibly scenerio to see if hes aggressive or not. You don't know whats going through a dogs head. For all you know a child walking down the street isn't threatening to the pitbull but a child throwing a frisbee is and thats what makes the dog attack. You mean to tell me one test is all you need to convince you that this dog is in fact not "naturally aggressive?"The test simulates a casual walk through the park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog's ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions."
-The ATTS (American Temperament Test Society) website
One slip up and the dog will fail this test. They do not allow re-takes. There is enough evidence by this test alone to show that the breed is not naturally agressive.
If you re read what I wrote you will see that I stated OF the Pit Bulls THAT WERE tested, 82% passed. Just FYI, there were over 600 randomly chosen Pit Bulls for the test. The numbers tested for other breeds varied, but very few had as many as the APBT. What this shows is that the breed has good self control. Many breeds were close to the 70% area for passing.82% of pitbulls went through the test. 82% of what? 82 percent of pitbulls in the world? I highly doubt that.
Actually it is quite opposite of what you are saying here. The facts are in the temperament test. If you look it up, you will likely be surprised that the most aggressive dogs out there are poodles, collies, etc. However, poodles and collies are widely accepted as "family pets" whereas Pit Bulls are portrayed as vicious dogs owned by drug dealers.You state that Pit bulls are more passive than many dogs that humans love and trust as a whole." [/B]Thats an entirely emotional statement with no facts to back up. Don't you think you're being a bit bais considering you were or are a pitbull owner?
Now here is where we can totally agreeGenerations of breeding is what makes the dog the way it is today.
I am glad that you are being honest with yourself, and I only wish that more people were. They really are a handful, they have more energy than I could possibly have and they need to be exercised a lot. sometimes that is difficult to do, with everyone's busy schedules. I am lucky enough to own and live on several acres of land out in the middle of nowhere, so my pups have free roam out here.Will I ever own one? Probably not. I'm not sure I'm responsible enough to watch a Pitbull with its energetic temperment
+1 I've owned guard/family dogs for the better part of 40 years, including Pits, Dobies and Rotties. They all were exceptional family members. Some were a little head strong but with proper, constant training they were brought into the fold. They are all smart, they can and will learn. It is the owners commiment or lack of that makes the differance. True, adopted dogs can be extremely difficult but they too can be transformed. I have had both, raised as pups and adopted. Right now I have a small 100lb.abused Rottie and an adopted pit/mix street dog that are some of the best I've had. Both are little babies to family members, and still are exceptional watch dogs. Nothing gets past the little female's ears. One bark and the big guy is on alert. I appoligize for rambling but it just gets to me when people talk down breeds of dogs, because they got barked at or charged at when they got too close to someone's fence.There is no bad breeds, only idiot owners.I love my pitbull!!!!! It's all about how YOU raise them. Too many people raise them as inmates rather than members of the family, it's a dog not a status symbol. Any dog can be mean it rests in the hands of the owner. You treat any animal like crap it's gonna be aggresive. Media as it does with everything just blows this way out of porportion.
Thank you and I am hoping that you son recovers fully and does not have any lasting effect of fear for dogs in general. That would be a damn shame, again I'll state any dog will attack if it is not trained right. it is the owner's total commitment to training ANY dog.Like I have said before. I own a pitbull who is now 1 yr old I also own a Rott who is 4 yrs old. They are the 2 best dogs I have ever had in my life. I have a 5yr old on and a 3 yr old son who climb all over them ride them pull them. My 3 yr old son was attacked by a dog back in April and has had several surgeries. The dog got his face and both eyes. They thought my son would lose his vision. This was a family pet I was told over and over she will never hurt a fly! What breed was she you will ask. She was a english bulldog. She ripped into my sons face. No one has ever heard of a dog that size being small.. I was even more upset when a different doctor would come into the hospital room and say so he was attacked by a PITBULL..... I got to the point where I would say look I own a pitbull and no this was not done by one.
it is not just pitbulls that are mean it is any and every dog. that cute little weenie dog could tear into you just as fast as a lab could. So stop judgeing a dog cause of its breed!
What breed are you refering to?Wherever they go ..... trouble soon follows.
Do you ever see that breed as a Leader Dog ?
Or a Police Dog ?
We all make choices.
it appears your mind is already made up no reason to speak on your Ignorance.Wherever they go ..... trouble soon follows.
Do you ever see that breed as a Leader Dog ?
Or a Police Dog ?
We all make choices.