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    Question Thoughts on current open carry?

    Whats going on everyone? I am currently open carrying a Glock 27 40cal sub compact in a Galco "Royal Guard" holster. I bought it for after my concealed class but I figured after over 130 on a holster I would just use it for open carry also until I get my permit. I got a pic I am going to post up of how I carry it every day. I would love to hear opinions and thoughts on what everyone thinks. See if yall think its ok. My shirt is always tucked in and my coat is always tucked in my jeans behind the holster to make sure it doesnt come loose and have that accidental cover up.

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    Open carry in states that allowed comes down to, it depends on the community one lives in..............

    Personally I would like to open carry(less hassle), unfortunately with my lower back issues I can not afford to be thrown to the ground by an overzealous officer of the law.........
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    So you would rather open the conceal? I'll have my concealed permit by middle to end of Jan if everything goes to plan. I like open carrying and have been for several months now. Just want the concealed permit so I can always have it on me.

    Do you carry in establishments like the grocery, Walmart, gas station, and other very public places. I'm not worried about the looks I get just any type of consequence that could follow.

    Here in NC its perfectly legal to OC without any permit with the exception of Chapel hill, NC.

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    Wait for your permit.
    Do not open-carry.

    Spend the time, while awaiting your permit, practicing your presentation and, more important, your shooting technique.
    It is not enough to have a gun, have taken a class, and to have a carry permit.
    You need to practice, practice, practice.

    When you carry a pistol openly, you are a very inviting target.
    It's easier than you think, to come up behind you and steal your gun. And you can't stop it.

    And if there is an incident, whom do you think the bad guy is going to shoot first?
    "Look: He's got a gun. Kill him first!"

    Open carry is a very bad idea.

    But you bought a very good holster!
    I hope you bought an equally good belt.
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    Thank you steve. I have been hesitant to open carry in many places due to the fact of becoming a target. That's one thing I've had on my mind. Got another 100 rounds to put through it when my father comes for Christmas. He will be using my P89DC to shoot and I'll practice even more with the 27. Only 200 rounds shot trying to get everything down where I'm comfortable. Just under a 4" group at 15 steps right now.

    On the other hand I've had 800-900 rounds through my P89. I'm use to pistols and comfortable shooting. Just ready to get my permit to take any worry out of it all.

    When it came to holster I've used a Galco in the past and knew the comfort so I had to go back Galco. Almost went cross breed though.

    Belt is zep-pro but looking at a cross breed belt for my next one maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Wait for your permit.
    Do not open-carry.

    Spend the time, while awaiting your permit, practicing your presentation and, more important, your shooting technique.
    It is not enough to have a gun, have taken a class, and to have a carry permit.
    You need to practice, practice, practice.

    When you carry a pistol openly, you are a very inviting target.
    It's easier than you think, to come up behind you and steal your gun. And you can't stop it.

    And if there is an incident, whom do you think the bad guy is going to shoot first?
    "Look: He's got a gun. Kill him first!"

    Open carry is a very bad idea.

    But you bought a very good holster!
    I hope you bought an equally good belt.
    Hate to do this to you Steve, but cites please.

    I know of one incident where the open carrier was shot and killed in my state... one. And that was about five years ago. One. Virginia has a lot of ope carriers going about their business on a daily basis with no hassles, no wide-eyed stares, and no running for the doors, children in hand while screaming "Gun!".

    Look at it this way. If what you say was true, don't you think that the anti-gun media would be plastering it all over their news with stories of "Person open carrying a pistol was first to be shot in a robbery". We don't see this happening. I'm not going to say it couldn't happen because it could. It's just not taking place... at least in my state.

    I do both modes of carry but more often than not, I open carry. My rig is very non-descript: either a Glock 23 (usually the case) or an M&P 9 Pro in a Fobus Evolution belt holster. Looks professional and not at all showy... doesn't scream "Gun". I have never had a problem with the police of any sort while carrying... none. And I have been in their presence many times while openly armed including in police precinct buildings. Not one problem with any of them. In fact, just the opposite has been the way they react, IF they even react at all.

    The myth that you're going to be thrown to the ground by some outraged LEO when he sees your gun, or handcuffed while he calls in the reserves, or even arrested for some trumped up non-existing charge just doesn't happen here. And the myth that as soon as you exit your home and go out and about in the public arena that you're going to get MWAG calls made on you also doesn't happen here. We just don't see any of this.

    Even when I go into my bank armed, there is not even so much as a raised eyebrow. Banks, liquor stores, restaurants which serve alcohol for consumption on the premises, you name it. It's a carrier heaven here.
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    Huummmm,
    a person that carry a gun will be targeted first. Hummm.
    Does someone have actually a number how often someone get targeted first because s/he carry a weapon or is that only assumption / opinion, adaption of liberal language?
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    As Cait43 said, depends on the community you live in.

    Personal opinion, in a situation with an armed aggressor facing 3 people, one of whom is open carrying, then I would expect him to shoot at the one who is obviously armed. (Think threat assessment: someone known armed v.s. two people who might be armed/concealed carrying)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackyardCowboy View Post
    As Cait43 said, depends on the community you live in.

    Personal opinion, in a situation with an armed aggressor facing 3 people, one of whom is open carrying, then I would expect him to shoot at the one who is obviously armed. (Think threat assessment: someone known armed v.s. two people who might be armed/concealed carrying)
    Sorry, have to ask... cites, please. Please see my post above.

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    No hassles here in Arizona either. But for strategic purposes I never open carry while in public, only while out in the desert or on mountain trails. With the implementation of "Constitutional Carry" status we do not see too many people carrying openly anymore. I too feel that openly carrying a handgun unless in a retention holster makes it too easy to take from the carrier. A retention holster can also be a hinderance to the carrier. I don't know if there are any statistics as to whether someone who carries openly had been targeted. I do know one thing, if I were a determined armed robber or an individual intent on committing murder with a gun already out, and saw an armed individual with a holstered gun they would be the first person I would "take out". While carrying openly you lose the element of surprise. That's just my opinion. If people choose to carry openly, fine that's their choice. I respect that and do not have a problem with it. It's none of my business to tell others how to carry. We are talking about handguns, long guns are a different matter that have been discussed before.
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    Well - but is not concealed carry trapping the protected robbers and police murderer?
    I'll think it is very unfair to concealed carry. Open carry i way better. First someone opens a store, puts all the goods on display so a liberal protected robber cant resist to rob and kill the store owner and than the store owner refuses to die and pulls a hidden weapon out of the pants and shoot the by liberal protected Mr. Brown?
    Is this not the same than the other guy that they showed on TV that put something that he practically have payed for and own in a totally unfairly way in his own garage and shoot the robber? Is this not trapping people in the view of liberals? Liberals don't know the difference between mine and yours. They only know I want it right now.

    Is it not unfair to criminals to hide the capability to defend yourself? Should we not all carry open so that a robber knows whom to attack and whom not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertman View Post
    No hassles here in Arizona either. But for strategic purposes I never open carry while in public, only while out in the desert or on mountain trails. With the implementation of "Constitutional Carry" status we do not see too many people carrying openly anymore. I too feel that openly carrying a handgun unless in a retention holster makes it too easy to take from the carrier. A retention holster can also be a hinderance to the carrier. I don't know if there are any statistics as to whether someone who carries openly had been targeted. I do know one thing, if I were a determined armed robber or an individual intent on committing murder with a gun already out, and saw an armed individual with a holstered gun they would be the first person I would "take out". While carrying openly you lose the element of surprise. That's just my opinion. If people choose to carry openly, fine that's their choice. I respect that and do not have a problem with it. It's none of my business to tell others how to carry. We are talking about handguns, long guns are a different matter that have been discussed before.
    Do keep in mind that if you conceal your sidearm properly, you look just like any other potential victim. I do conceal my sidearm when I deem it to be in my better interests at some given time and/or place, and have done so many times. I just like the freedom to have the choice. In Virginia, open carry is the normal mode or carrying a sidearm (read that as standard or default) whereas concealing it is the extraordinary mode. But as I said I do both. At least I don't have to concern myself with printing of inadvertent exposure.
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    SouthernBoy:
    I just like the freedom to have the choice.
    No argument from me. I just choose to carry concealed for the reasons that I have stated. I've also been taught this in the tactical handgun courses that I have taken. It just makes sense for me. I do not want to draw any unwanted attention to myself. At least out here it is assumed that most people are already packin' heat. Maybe in restrictive states where permits are required you would look like another potential victim. Out here you'd never know, even "grandma" confined to a wheelchair could be packin' heat and know how to use it. I've met and know many elderly people who carry on a daily basis. I like the fact that we can carry open or concealed without a permit, although I do have a CWP for reciprocity purposes with other states. When I travel to some of the desert trails I often carry open while driving there and it is comforting to know that if I have to make a pit stop no one will really give a shit upon seeing me being armed. However I just can't justify it while going about my daily business such as supermarkets, banks etc. or places where there are a lot of people around. Before Arizona implemented a "shall issue" permit system for concealed carry the only legal way to carry was open. The firearm had to be clearly visible to any casual observer. Some obtained permits, some refused to do so and continued to carry openly. Since Arizona went "Constitutional Carry" where no permit is required for either type of carry. I seldom see people openly carrying handguns while out in public. It is now more of an occasional thing. I do get bent out of shape when some people who are not used to seeing someone carrying openly make an issue out of it when it is perfectly legal. One woman wrote a letter to our local paper complaining about this and then had the audacity to question whether the gun carrier was going to pay for the items that they had purchased in a convenience store. For Christ sakes lady this is Arizona not New York or California, guns are a way of life out here, either get used to it, keep your mouth shut or leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertman View Post
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    No argument from me. I just choose to carry concealed for the reasons that I have stated. I've also been taught this in the tactical handgun courses that I have taken. It just makes sense for me. I do not want to draw any unwanted attention to myself. At least out here it is assumed that most people are already packin' heat. Maybe in restrictive states where permits are required you would look like another potential victim. Out here you'd never know, even "grandma" confined to a wheelchair could be packin' heat and know how to use it. I've met and know many elderly people who carry on a daily basis. I like the fact that we can carry open or concealed without a permit, although I do have a CWP for reciprocity purposes with other states. When I travel to some of the desert trails I often carry open while driving there and it is comforting to know that if I have to make a pit stop no one will really give a shit upon seeing me being armed. However I just can't justify it while going about my daily business such as supermarkets, banks etc. or places where there are a lot of people around. Before Arizona implemented a "shall issue" permit system for concealed carry the only legal way to carry was open. The firearm had to be clearly visible to any casual observer. Some obtained permits, some refused to do so and continued to carry openly. Since Arizona went "Constitutional Carry" where no permit is required for either type of carry. I seldom see people openly carrying handguns while out in public. It is now more of an occasional thing. I do get bent out of shape when some people who are not used to seeing someone carrying openly make an issue out of it when it is perfectly legal. One woman wrote a letter to our local paper complaining about this and then had the audacity to question whether the gun carrier was going to pay for the items that they had purchased in a convenience store. For Christ sakes lady this is Arizona not New York or California, guns are a way of life out here, either get used to it, keep your mouth shut or leave.
    We're good and I know you know that. There is a possibility that we may get constitutional carry here but I doubt it with our current governor. He intends to push for stricter gun control measures, some are old and have been tried before. I don't see him getting any of this through our general assembly.

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    SouthernBoy:
    There is a possibility that we may get constitutional carry here but I doubt it with our current governor.
    I's a shame that criminal swine got elected. Whatever happened with that Global Crossing scandal that he had his greedy little fingers in? For the life of me I can't understand why people are content with corrupt individuals making decisions that will effect their everyday lives and to rule over them? I hope for your sake that Cuccinelli runs again and this time wins. I believe it was close despite all the money that was spent by McAuliffe and the DNC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Sorry, have to ask... cites, please. Please see my post above.
    As I said, it's my personal opinion.
    It, to me, falls under threat assessment. If you are facing 3 opponents (read BadGuys), one with a shotgun, one with an 'uzi' type machine pistol and one with a revolver, which should be taken out first, second, third.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackyardCowboy View Post
    As I said, it's my personal opinion.
    It, to me, falls under threat assessment. If you are facing 3 opponents (read BadGuys), one with a shotgun, one with an 'uzi' type machine pistol and one with a revolver, which should be taken out first, second, third.
    I understand. We have had one situation in my state where a man open carrying was shot with his own gun. But he did kind of bring it upon himself. He was in a mini-mart (I think) when a robbery started to go down. He was open carrying and managed to make his way out of the store but after going a short distance away, he turned around and went back in. That was when he was accosted, disarmed, and shot.

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    To the OP...

    The fact that your gun/holster is partially exposed could cause a CCW violation if you don't have a permit. Open carry is a fully exposed gun in a holster (not obscured by clothing... in most areas, to the best of my knowledge and in my state). Your IWB carry option could get you in trouble... you should check your state law to see if a partially exposed firearm is a violation of the CCW laws.
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    Thank you TAPnRACK I may have to buy a new holster to make it it fully visible. Do you have any recommendations for an open carry holsters? Even if I have to order one?

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    I personally like Galco leather pancake style holsters... very comfortable and secure. Something with a retention device is a good idea until you learn some handgun retention skills. I also use kydex holsters (Zero Concealment Systems)... depends what i'm carrying and where i'm going.
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