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This is the wrong way to go about it...............

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#2 ·
Agreed! There is a huge difference in "open carry" and openly carrying an "assault-style" rifle. I whole heartedly support the 2nd Amendment, and our right to bear arms. I do not subscribe to the idiocy of calling a particular rifle "assault" rifle b/c a spoon can be used to assault. Assault is an act, not a tool! But, what these people don't understand is that perception is reality whether it is the truth or not. The truth is they are law abiding citizens exercising their right to bear arms. Perception, however, is that they are lunatics who are only out to cause a stir, which does more harm than good for the pro-gun cause.
 
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Not one of the long guns shown in this video was an assault rifle. Most were semi-automatic rifles with a few bolt action rifles thrown in the mix. That's the first error.

The arresting officer broke the law (I saw this video a while back), plain and simple. I had thought I read somewhere where the victim, the man in the video, won a monetary judgement against the municipality. Error number two.

The reporter is racist. I have been among many people carrying open and concealed and there were some blacks there as well as females, Asians, and whites. I don't recall anyone trying to play the racist, sex, or nationality card during those events. Error number three.

And then the "Mom's" woman is dead wrong. She lists a few things, one of which is no background checks. Has anyone here ever purchased a firearm from an FFL and skipped the background check, accept where it is legal because the buyer has a carry permit? Error number four.

As for the folks who chose to do this in Texas, I say do as they see fit in their state. It is their state and sometimes it takes a few "extreme" measures (legal of course) to get things addressed. I have been among over 1,000 people at one rally who were all open carrying firearms of all sorts, going into our state legislators' offices, and listening to speeches. No problems resulted from this event. But then, this IS Virginia.

As for my person take on all of this. I find carrying a long gun around like this to be cumbersome and just gets in the way. I do open carry my handgun(s) frequently and never have any problems with businesses, customers, the general public, or police. Like I said, Virginia. It's a no brainer here.
 
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It shouldn't even have to be posted at all. The 2nd should suffice, and ppl should know time and place. A restaurant isn't the the the place to openly carry a rifle to eat.
Um, the CONCEALED FIREARMS ONLY sign has another, much deeper meaning: "Hey, idiot-boy robber, you'll never know who is armed in here."
 
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I suggest that the following sign be posted at the entrance to all public places: CONCEALED FIREARMS ONLY.
I would be dead set against this. I have open carried into many restaurants, by myself, with a few others, and in a large group, and have never had any issues of any kind whatsoever.
 
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Um, the CONCEALED FIREARMS ONLY sign has another, much deeper meaning: "Hey, idiot-boy robber, you'll never know who is armed in here."
Okay, an ulterior motive. I missed that. How about just, "Legally Carried Guns Welcome"? Of course, that almost looks like the contradiction sign of, "No Guns Allowed".

You got me... I'll go back in my hole now.
 
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Not one of the long guns shown in this video was an assault rifle. Most were semi-automatic rifles with a few bolt action rifles thrown in the mix. That's the first error.

The arresting officer broke the law (I saw this video a while back), plain and simple. I had thought I read somewhere where the victim, the man in the video, won a monetary judgement against the municipality. Error number two.

The reporter is racist. I have been among many people carrying open and concealed and there were some blacks there as well as females, Asians, and whites. I don't recall anyone trying to play the racist, sex, or nationality card during those events. Error number three.

And then the "Mom's" woman is dead wrong. She lists a few things, one of which is no background checks. Has anyone here ever purchased a firearm from an FFL and skipped the background check, accept where it is legal because the buyer has a carry permit? Error number four.

As for the folks who chose to do this in Texas, I say do as they see fit in their state. It is their state and sometimes it takes a few "extreme" measures (legal of course) to get things addressed. I have been among over 1,000 people at one rally who were all open carrying firearms of all sorts, going into our state legislators' offices, and listening to speeches. No problems resulted from this event. But then, this IS Virginia.

As for my person take on all of this. I find carrying a long gun around like this to be cumbersome and just gets in the way. I do open carry my handgun(s) frequently and never have any problems with businesses, customers, the general public, or police. Like I said, Virginia. It's a no brainer here.
I personally have no problem with demonstrations. I really don't care if someone carries their rifle around, as long as they are not doing anything threatening. What I don't like is a bunch of crazy looking good ol'boys walking around, going to public places carrying rifles, looking like trash. It makes the rest of us look stupid to say the least. Besides that, there is just no sense carrying any rifle around town. If you want to open carry, then look like you have some sense about you!
 
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Good point. I think the whole thing is rather stupid. Again, there is no more reason to carry a rifle openly in town than it is to haul around a fishing rod. It just doesn't make any sense. I understand this group is trying to make a point that if they can carry rifles openly why can't they open carry pistols, but come on. Really? Yeah, sometimes you need someone to take a step, even to an extreme, to make a point, but I just do not see this as helpful. Not with the fight on-going, and liberals begging for a reason to ban guns. The problem isn't that they can't carry concealed, or that it is hard for them to get a CC permit. In Alabama, you can open carry, but if you don't have a license to carry, you can't open carry in your car. Does that make any sense? NO! But there is a very easy solution. GET A LICENSE TO CARRY!!! It is very easy to do in Alabama.

Until all this is settled that the 2nd Amendment is your open carry/conceal carry license, be smart about it. Don't do anything stupid to make the rest of us look like hick, cowboy outlaws begging for attention.
 
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Good point. I think the whole thing is rather stupid. Again, there is no more reason to carry a rifle openly in town than it is to haul around a fishing rod. It just doesn't make any sense. I understand this group is trying to make a point that if they can carry rifles openly why can't they open carry pistols, but come on. Really? Yeah, sometimes you need someone to take a step, even to an extreme, to make a point, but I just do not see this as helpful. Not with the fight on-going, and liberals begging for a reason to ban guns. The problem isn't that they can't carry concealed, or that it is hard for them to get a CC permit. In Alabama, you can open carry, but if you don't have a license to carry, you can't open carry in your car. Does that make any sense? NO! But there is a very easy solution. GET A LICENSE TO CARRY!!! It is very easy to do in Alabama.

Until all this is settled that the 2nd Amendment is your open carry/conceal carry license, be smart about it. Don't do anything stupid to make the rest of us look like hick, cowboy outlaws begging for attention.
Don't you mean inner city young wannabe gangsta toughs?
 
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I agree

These open carry groups are hurting us CHL carriers and the shooting sport as a whole.

If I saw someone coming into a store / resturant with a AR 15 - I quietly draw my own gun - keep it under the table, but be very likely to shoot one of the idoits if he made a wrong move.

Why? Because there is no earthly reason for a person to carry a AR into a store / resturant except to do harm.

If I (a CHL carrier) don't like it - just image what a person the doesn't like guns is feeling.

These are idiots.

:smt1099
 
#18 ·
I agree

These open carry groups are hurting us CHL carriers and the shooting sport as a whole.

If I saw someone coming into a store / resturant with a AR 15 - I quietly draw my own gun - keep it under the table, but be very likely to shoot one of the idoits if he made a wrong move.

Why? Because there is no earthly reason for a person to carry a AR into a store / resturant except to do harm.

If I (a CHL carrier) don't like it - just image what a person the doesn't like guns is feeling.

These are idiots.

:smt1099
Drawing your concealed handgun seems to be an overly aggressive response.
The only issue with this particular group would be their training or lack of training creating an unsafe situation.
Firearms Training is for open or concealed carry. Thank you:?:
 
#21 ·
The gays have come out. And who would of thought that they would have such power. The gays have unionized un officially . What great political power they have. Before the open gay movement they were not recognized as a voting organizing population.
But if the pro gun activists unionized as a community. We would have such power!! Could we achieve the same political advantage as the gay community
 
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Unless your walking into a hunting lodge, carrying a long-gun into an establishment is a little over the top for me. Sorry.
I agree. There are a lot of people out there who simply are not interested in guns, nor the actual gun laws, and if those people are in that restaurant, in this day and age of mass shootings, they are going to freak out when this group comes walking in.
I love concealed carry, it keeps everyone calm and like said earlier, you have no idea who's packing, and who's not.
 
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The gays have come out. And who would of thought that they would have such power. The gays have unionized un officially . What great political power they have. Before the open gay movement they were not recognized as a voting organizing population.
But if the pro gun activists unionized as a community. We would have such power!! Could we achieve the same political advantage as the gay community
Absolutely true! However, the gays, lesbians, transgendered, and bisexuals have united, something this very thread shows that gun owners have not.

I feel that if someone believes in something and then throws a "but" in there, they don't really believe in that something.

I don't open carry often but I have. I don't open carry a rifle since it will bang into things, scratch the paint on my car and people's walls and tables, and the muzzle will be nearly impossible to keep from "sweeping" people, even though the chamber would be empty. Sweeping someone is at the very least, extremely rude.
 
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Absolutely true! However, the gays, lesbians, transgendered, and bisexuals have united, something this very thread shows that gun owners have not.

I feel that if someone believes in something and then throws a "but" in there, they don't really believe in that something.

I don't open carry often but I have. I don't open carry a rifle since it will bang into things, scratch the paint on my car and people's walls and tables, and the muzzle will be nearly impossible to keep from "sweeping" people, even though the chamber would be empty. Sweeping someone is at the very least, extremely rude.
Good point about the sweeping. I find it very offensive, even in a gun shop I will mention it to a stranger if they have swept the muzzle, past or through me.
 
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Those of you on this site who know me from this site, probably know that I open carried on a regular basis for 7 1/2 years, up until January of this year. Now I carry almost exclusively concealed. During the entire time I open carried I only had one negative experience and that was with a customer in a McDonald's in August 2009. He claimed to be a retired LEO but judging from his accent, he was not a native of my state; probably from somewhere in the northeast.

I understood and supported the good people of Texas who were trying to get their laws changed on open carry but I personally would not have gone about it as they did with long guns in some places. I have been to many open carry breakfasts, lunches, and dinners and I only saw one person who was attired in what I would call questionable gear. Everyone else had "normal" gear in their holsters, sidearms, and mag pouches. You'd be surprised how many people don't even notice that you're armed during these events.

I have always been a little put off by the comment, "just because you have the right doesn't mean you should use it". Were we to apply that same logic to free speech, how might that play out? Or religion or perhaps our right to legal council. I frankly don't care whether or not some citizen is offended by my sidearm (remember, it is most always concealed these days). That citizen can be offended all he wants but his right to be offended stops at my right to go armed. I am not of a mind to deliberately scare, offend, or traumatize someone when I am armed... unless that is needed. I prefer to go about my business as any other civilian would and does on a normal day. I just do it while armed.

Either we are all in this together and are of a mind to support the carrying of arms, or we're not. I should hope the vote is yes, we support the carrying of arms. Perhaps I should make this responsible carrying of arms.
 
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