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    Best handgun to open carry?

    I'm not yet 21, which is what you need to be in Arizona to conceal carry. I can, however, open carry. I'm 21 in a few months but if I can I would like to arm myself before then. So I want to know what you think is the best open carry pistol. I want it to be a 9mm. So use that as your starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evongelo View Post
    I'm not yet 21, which is what you need to be in Arizona to conceal carry. I can, however, open carry. I'm 21 in a few months but if I can I would like to arm myself before then. So I want to know what you think is the best open carry pistol. I want it to be a 9mm. So use that as your starting point.
    What is the open carry to be used for? snakes, self defense, shooting cactus. Will the open carry be exposed to dusty desert like conditions.

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    Self defense only. I do not intend to take this gun anywhere outside urban areas on a regular basis. Might I take it hiking or camping in the desert, maybe, but it's primary use will be as a self defense weapon kept in a holster. I do live in the Sonoran though, but I also live in the city which keeps dust down.

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    Re: Best handgun to open carry?

    If you intend to open carry you may want to consider learning handgun retention techniques... and be prepared to draw a LOT of attention to yourself. I'm all for open carry rights, but as a police officer I know first hand that people will call the police to check you out... so be prepared for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evongelo View Post
    Self defense only. I do not intend to take this gun anywhere outside urban areas on a regular basis. Might I take it hiking or camping in the desert, maybe, but it's primary use will be as a self defense weapon kept in a holster. I do live in the Sonoran though, but I also live in the city which keeps dust down.
    One option to think about would be to buy an open carry that you would later possibly convert to conceal carry or just buy another gun.
    Be very careful open carrying in the city, any city. Being 21 years old with an exposed open carry will invite trouble, you will be exposed to possible confrontations from private individuals, hostile possibly and law enforcement.You need to practice situation avoidance.
    You should be trained and educated for what comes your way, and it will come. My opinion would be to conceal carry in the city, and never expose that you are carrying, do not even tell your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAPnRACK View Post
    If you intend to open carry you may want to consider learning handgun retention techniques... and be prepared to draw a LOT of attention to yourself. I'm all for open carry rights, but as a police officer I know first hand that people will call the police to check you out... so be prepared for that.
    hello Tapnrack didn't see your post must have been typing at the same time,lol, sorry for any redundancy

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    Re: Best handgun to open carry?

    No problem, lol.

    If Open Carry was a good idea there would be no need for concealed carry. Good points have been made in this thread though.

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    IMO the best weapon for open carry is the weapon with which you are most proficient. I would recommend you become most proficient with one weapon and switch to CC with THAT weapon when you are able.

    There is no BEST firearm for open, or concealed carry. There is only the best firearm for you.

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    Thanks for the advice, I know I may invite suspicion. I know how to fire a gun too, though I don't claim to be any crack shot; and I also know gun safety. I will of course practice a lot. This will be my first hand gun, any I've fired before were my fathers or friends. I'm on my own now though and I need to start building my own collection. I want to have a weapon for every situation, if possible. I FULLY intend to conceal carry but that is 8 months away before it's legal. I don't want to go any longer than I have to before I start to carry, which is why I will open carry for now. So what do you think is the best gun for this perpose? Since I fully intend to conceal carry once I can, should I just go with a pistol best suited for this task? If so, tell me what you like.
    FYI, ive been considering a CZ Duty.

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    I love the cz line of pistols, but if I were you I would also look into glocks, or the xdm line of pistols from Springfield armory, both of which are excellent guns, come in all shapes and sizes to accommodate the (great) idea of being both an open and conceal carry (once you reach the appropriate age). Keep in mind xd's will come with a holster that is great for open carry. No matter what, be smart, be safe.

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    Can't go wrong with CZ's. But for open carry, you might as well get the biggest most badass gun you can afford because you won't have to conceal it, and they're more intimidating.

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    I like my Ruger speed six in 9mm................

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    At the risk of sounding dismissive, the best handgun for this purpose is what best works for you. Issues such as size, weight, shape, and the proper holster for this use come into play not to mention how well you can shoot and deploy your sidearm.

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    A gold Desert Eagle, it will scare the shit out of everybody! Just kidding.. If I was to OC I'd probably have M&P9 S&W or HK45C/USPC by H&K. Maybe a Beretta 92 or Sig P226.. Or 1911 but having 1 in the chamber isn't safe I hear lol

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    to open carry is a BIG decision and not one to take lightly. increasing you situational awareness is paramount along with knowing how to deal with an attempted gun grab. those are things that are best learned first hand. consult with some local trainers on those things.

    that all being said, i would suggest getting at minimum a good level 2 retention holster. when i OC i use a Blackhawk CQC Serpa level 2 holster on a paddle mount. using the paddle mount vs belt loop gives it a lot of stability and firmness for all day carry. and the retention system, unlike a thumbreak holster, is not as easy to bypass. it is not impossible but a lot of regular folks don't know the "secret". they also make a level 3 retention system too if that is a route you wish to take.

    another retention holster option is the Safariland system. while i have no experience with it, there are those who swear by it. but please stay away from a passive retention system like Fobus sells. Fobus holsters are not bad but they have a place, and it's NOT with OC. just remember, positive retention in your holster is your second line of defense against losing your firearm. situational awareness is first.

    now here's on odd tidbit for you when considering an OC firearm. the more low key it is, the less "looks" you will get. i draw a lot less attention when i OC a plain black Glock than when i carry a two-tone Sig. maybe the black Glock with a black t-shirt behind it is camouflaged or something and the stainless slide on the Sig says bling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAPnRACK View Post
    If you intend to open carry you may want to consider learning handgun retention techniques... and be prepared to draw a LOT of attention to yourself. I'm all for open carry rights, but as a police officer I know first hand that people will call the police to check you out... so be prepared for that.
    +1 to that.

    Open carry will most likely cause you some grief. You sound like you're itching to carry, just because you can.......not because you need to.

    And yes......there is a difference.

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    You are focusing more on the hardware instead of your software. If you don't understand that statement, please leave your gun at home until you figure it out. You sound like a kid that is begging for a responsibility that he isn't at all ready for. If this post offends you, that means it is accurate. Please seek education and training and the gun culture will be more than happy to have you join it's ranks. Stick around and do many searches and much more reading. Lots of good knowledge and experience on this forum. Good luck.

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    As said above, you will draw A LOT of attention and could set yourself up for a real confrontation. Believe me, as a Vietnam combat vet with 8 confirmed & 12 unconfirmed kills (Combat kills are VERY DIFFERENT from civilian shootings). Shooting a man WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER, legal shooting or not.
    If you are going to carry, get training (lots of it), a license and REALIZE that you are putting yourself and anybody with you in a possible deadly situation just because you are carrying & be VERY PREPARED to pull the trigger OR DIE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAPnRACK View Post
    If you intend to open carry you may want to consider learning handgun retention techniques... and be prepared to draw a LOT of attention to yourself. I'm all for open carry rights, but as a police officer I know first hand that people will call the police to check you out... so be prepared for that.
    I here you brother....I hate people wasting my time on something that is perfectly legal to do. I have yet to get a call for an open carry around where I live in Missouri.

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    I have to agree that open carry in public may not be a good idea, you give up your element of surprise and some one could take it from you. Others mentioned weapon retention, if it's difficult for an unauthorized person to take it from you, you might have trouble getting to it yourself and at the worst time. If you live in a state that allows for open carry, such as Arizona where I also live, I don't think you will draw too much attention to yourself, I have seen people doing it in public going about their daily business even in the presence of law enforcement, and hardly anyone bats an eye. Thank God for Arizona! Try doing that in states that don't allow it! I would also recommend, even though it's not required in Arizona, to attend a course and obtain a concealed carry permit.

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    I too agree with @desertman that open carry in public is not a good idea. However, in case you open carry consider weapon retention training and a true retention holster will also be a good idea.

    When and if someone tries to grab your weapon, you may get only one chance to defend yourself. Practicing retention will help you in such situations. – carrydefense.

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    The element of surprise being given up when open carrying is a myth. Think about it. When you conceal your gun properly you look just like anyone else, which means you look like any other potential victim. And attacks can come VERY quickly. How fast can you get your gun into action when concealing it? The element of surprise is nearly always in the camp of the attacker.

    Another myth about open carry is that you'll be the first one to be shot when caught up in a criminal activity. If this were so, you can bet you'd see it plastered all over the news since you can bet the anti-gun media would just love to use jump on that one. So I would say to those who believe this, please offer up cites to prove your statement. I do know of one incident like this in my state.... one.

    I do both. Most of the time, I OC, but there are times and places when and where I deem it to be in my better interests to conceal my sidearm. And I very good and solid reasons why I choose to OC. As far as I see it, we should be celebrating both modes of carry since we are all in the same boat anyway. I wrote what follows yesterday on another thread on this site. I am including it here to show my view of OC and why I choose to do this. Perhaps you good people will see from this that not all who OC are attention seekers or YouTube selfie fanatics looking for their 15 minutes of glory, but rather just normal people going about their daily activities.


    "I am not flamboyant in my carry gear (no thigh holsters or overtly large sidearm - a simple gen3 Glock 23), no unusual clothing, no long or unkept hair, or anything out of the ordinary for me. And just for the record why I choose to OC most of the time. I have a few medical conditions. Fifteen months ago I had a total knee replacement and am getting my second one done in March. Last June I had open back decompression and fusion surgery. And in September my prostate was removed as it was found to be cancerous. With all of this, I can no longer run or fight as I was once capable of doing. I am a perfect target. I choose to OC most of the time and let my sidearm be my wolf's teeth. I'd much prefer a BG see my gun and turn his attention to some other victim, preferably just leave, than have to draw from concealment when under attack (assuming the time and opportunity allows this). Yes I've heard the arguments against OC and even those against CC. I ignore these since as I said, I adjust my preference for specific conditions and/or situations.

    I don't OC to make some sort of political or social statement, to advance the cause of the Second Amendment (though that is always a nice side effect), or to get a thrill when someone reacts when seeing my arm. I am not out there doing this so that I can record an incident and put it on YouTube (don't even carry a video device) and I am not trying to get a rise out of the police. I am your normal carrier who just wants to be left alone.

    Don't know if I have ever laid this out but there it is. My carry rig is nondescript and subtle, which is the way I like it. Hell, it took several years going to one of the local grocery stores before two of the ladies there even noticed my visible sidearm. Now you might say if they didn't notice it then neither would a BG. I suggest a BG is going to be a little more observant just before he attempts to attack than a grocery store worker. And I am VERY observant of my surroundings when out and about, open or concealed, armed or not."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAPnRACK View Post
    If you intend to open carry you may want to consider learning handgun retention techniques ... and be prepared to draw a LOT of attention to yourself. I'm all for open carry rights, but as a police officer I know first hand that people will call the police to check you out ... so be prepared for that.
    Ain’t THAT the truth!

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    One option to think about would be to buy an open carry that you would later possibly convert to conceal carry or just buy another gun.

    Be very careful open carrying in the city, any city. Being (less than)(Ed.) 21 years old with an exposed open carry will invite trouble. You will be exposed to possible confrontations from private individuals (possibly hostile)(Ed.), and law enforcement. You need to practice situation avoidance.

    You should be trained and educated for what comes your way, and it will come. My opinion would be to conceal carry in the city, and never expose that you are carrying, do not even tell your friends.
    Not particularly well stated; but, nevertheless, very good advice that this older gunman would, also, suggest you follow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evongelo View Post
    Thanks for the advice. I know I may invite suspicion. I know how to fire a gun too, though I don't claim to be any crack shot; and I also know gun safety. I will of course practice a lot.
    It’s NOT suspicion that you really have to worry about. It’s other things like: undue attention, and the fact that you will be broadcasting you have a pistol - AN AVAILABLE PISTOL - to the entire surrounding community; AND, in today’s world, there’s no way that can be a good thing!

    Who cares that you know how to shoot! The real question is, ‘Are you a savvy CQB pistol gunfighter?’ (I absolutely do not mean to insult you; but, I doubt that you are; so all this, 'extra advertising' you're planning on doing, as well as all of the unwanted attention it's sure to garner might not be such a good idea. It doesn't really serve a constructive purpose - Understand?)

    Finally, every, ‘gun dufus’ I’ve ever: seen, read about, or actually known, ‘knew gun safety’ BEFORE he ended up shooting himself, or (worse) someone else. The only valid way to, ‘know’ gun safety is to have thoroughly inculcated Cooper’s Four Rules into your habitual muscle reflex and personal habit patterns. If all a person has is gun safety rules and regulations inside his head then, for a fact, that person does NOT, ‘know’ gun safety.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evongelo View Post
    This will be my first hand gun, any I've fired before were my fathers or friends. I'm on my own now though; and I need to start building my own collection.

    I want to have a weapon for every situation, if possible. I FULLY intend to conceal carry but that is 8 months away before it's legal. I don't want to go any longer than I have to before I start to carry, which is why I will open carry for now. So what do you think is the best gun for this purpose? Since I fully intend to conceal carry once I can, should I just go with a pistol best suited for this task? If so, tell me what you like.

    FYI, I’ve been considering a CZ Duty.
    Rather than emphasize building a collection I think you should be making plans to spend a lot of time at the pistol range. Two or three hundred rounds a week would not be too much, or too often, for you to practice. More than a selection of pistols, what you need is a regular pistol training regimen.

    If I had my (somewhat prodigal) life to live over again, instead of the dozens and dozens of guns I’ve owned, I’d have two or three rifles, and one or two shotguns for hunting. That would be it! Pistols would be slightly different: I would want a selection of pistols in: 22 LR, 32 ACP, 380 Auto, 9mm Luger, 357 Magnum, (Ain’t never used 38 Special; instead I’ve always downloaded the longer 357’s to 38 velocities.) 45 ACP/Super, and - perhaps my favorite shooter - 44 Magnum. (I’ve never used 44 Special, either; again I simply downloaded the longer 44 Magnum brass.)

    If I were to start out pistol shooting, again today, I’d get myself a 9mm Parabellum pistol with, at least, a 4 inch barrel and start banging away. The next time I had some spare change I’d get myself a long barreled, Ruger Mark III; and these two pistols would keep me going for awhile.

    I like your choice of a CZ. Personally I, most often, carry a huge Glock Model 21. (Which I would NOT recommend to you.) I can get away with easily concealing a pistol of this size. If you’re able to conceal it reasonably well, I’d recommend a CZ 75, SP-01 in 9mm as your first pistol. I’m a pistol instructor; I’ve been a pistol instructor for a lot of years. What is the most frequent mistake I’ve seen new pistol shooters make? They show up at the range with either too small a pistol, or one with too short a barrel in order to effectively (and more easily) learn with.

    When you say, ‘CZ Duty’ I assume you’re referring to the, ‘CZ P-07 Duty’ - Correct? The P-07 Duty, with its slightly smaller frame, will work too. You’re just going to have to concentrate more while you’re learning how to use it. Try to get, at least, three magazines; you’re going to need them. (I keep six to eight magazines for every primary pistol that I own.) When you’re ready look into IDPA shooting. The training courses are, themselves, well worth attending.

    Good luck to you!

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