Originally Posted by niadhf

Keep in mind, many carry OC with little to know notice taken by people around them. Nor because it is ao common, but because it just, isn't, noticed.
I myself had an experience with this here in NY state. Sitting near a couple in a restaurant, the guy got up and walked past me a number of times. Wasn't until the 3rd or 4th time i noticed his holster, and i usually LOOK for firearms.

You live in a rural area of New York state. In rural areas OC is no big deal. However, In urban areas your statement is a bit flawed. They notice, they call the PD, they are ignorant of the law, they are the general public. It is much different in urban Environments.

+1 Harryball

Believe me in town .... they notice and are startled.

The other thing that would stop me from OC is that it's like walking around with a big fat Rolex on your wrist. Small, worth good money, easy sell...that's a problem waiting to happen.

Even the really committed can't keep up that level of situational awareness ALL the time. You WILL get slack and let your guard down sooner or later. You just will. If you force yourself to be that aware all the time, you're going to give yourself PTSD level stress. Maybe out in the sticks you'll be fine but, in an urban environment...you just can't go about your daily life with a 10' perimiter. You gonna push your shopping cart facing backwards so no one gets behind you?

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Originally Posted by Harryball

You live in a rural area of New York state. In rural areas OC is no big deal. However, In urban areas your statement is a bit flawed. They notice, they call the PD, they are ignorant of the law, they are the general public. It is much different in urban Environments.

My "rural area" is not so rural that WHEN NOTICED a panic runaway call would not be made. And the area I was talking about is the county seat.

My OC experience is in Metro Atlanta.

Your logic is flawed.

My point is not "logic" but experience.

Actions are much the same everywhere, and my EXPERIENCE shows that the vast majority of people don't notice. Some do. Some ask questions, some call the cops. You know, that whole "see something say something" thing.

Originally Posted by Harryball

You live in a rural area of New York state. In rural areas OC is no big deal. However, In urban areas your statement is a bit flawed. They notice, they call the PD, they are ignorant of the law, they are the general public. It is much different in urban Environments.

Depends upon the state you live in. Here in Virginia, we don't see what you have written happening. Not that it hasn't but it is very uncommon... as in VERY uncommon.

Originally Posted by SouthernBoy

Depends upon the state you live in. Here in Virginia, we don't see what you have written happening. Not that it hasn't but it is very uncommon... as in VERY uncommon.

That's the case now, it wasn't always so.

One hundred people could walk by you and never notice a thing, then that one person comes by and calls the police.

Twenty seven street thugs may see you gun and think twice about doing something or avoid you like the plague, then that one guy who is not intimidated, scared, worried decides he wants that thing on your belt.

There could be an OC convention at an amusement park and no one would care, then that one guy walks into McDonald's to make a statement.

I, we, you are have to realize that no matter how we carry all it takes in that "one" person that did not read the statistics, get the memo, wants to show everyone he can, make a statement about gun rights to effect everyone. No matter how responsible "we" are "we" will all be judged by the lowest common denominator.

Originally Posted by niadhf

My "rural area" is not so rural that WHEN NOTICED a panic runaway call would not be made. And the area I was talking about is the county seat.

My OC experience is in Metro Atlanta.

Your logic is flawed.

My point is not "logic" but experience.

Actions are much the same everywhere, and my EXPERIENCE shows that the vast majority of people don't notice. Some do. Some ask questions, some call the cops. You know, that whole "see something say something" thing.

You say my logic is flawed, How so? You say you have experience in Atlanta, anywhere else?? When was the last time you OCed???

My logic is based only in experience. MI is an OC state. I have been thrown to the ground and shotguns pointed at my head, how bout you? You say people do not notice, I call Horse crap on that, not only do they notice, but they call the police and make a MWAG call. Actions are not the same everywhere. It is different throughout the country. What is good in montana, is not good in michigan.

Call horse rap all you want. I have sat down to eat next to LEO who have nodded and said naught, and stood by nosy citizen who called LEO.
I saying your logic is flawed based on the same thing you call mine flawed by.
And frankly, Tacman said very well what I mean.

Sorry your experiences have sucked. That said, why would you (or anyone who believes in our 2A rights) turn on our carry brethren because they carry different. That is the point of this thread as I read it. Or is it still just "do as I do or you are wrong"?

Originally Posted by niadhf

Call horse rap all you want. I have sat down to eat next to LEO who have nodded and said naught, and stood by nosy citizen who called LEO.
I saying your logic is flawed based on the same thing you call mine flawed by.
And frankly, Tacman said very well what I mean.

Sorry your experiences have sucked. That said, why would you (or anyone who believes in our 2A rights) turn on our carry brethren because they carry different. That is the point of this thread as I read it. Or is it still just "do as I do or you are wrong"?

So you are doing exactly what you are saying others to. Tick for a tack. Or am I flawed on that as well?? As I see it, if you carry responsible, what ever way you carry is fine with me. I have no beef with anyone who carries a weapon for protection. I am not turning on anyone, you know as well as I that there are people out there making all of us look like idiots. Those are the people I have an issue with, and will continue to have an issue with. Either do it right, or do not do it. Some of the people out there making a political statement with there hi-point in there unkle mikes should not be carrying guns. That is might point. They do not help anyone's cause. It is, what it is....

I say, carry as you please, but, come up to my state and try it, even though it's been legal forever.............someone will call LE 5 minutes after your out the door.....I don't say it's right, because it's not, but it's the way it is, up here....paranoia runs rampant...........these people need to be educated, but don't care to......too locked in their liberal ways.............If you could identify a lib in trouble, I would walk away and smile............

Originally Posted by Harryball

So you are doing exactly what you are saying others to. Tick for a tack. Or am I flawed on that as well?? As I see it, if you carry responsible, what ever way you carry is fine with me. I have no beef with anyone who carries a weapon for protection. I am not turning on anyone, you know as well as I that there are people out there making all of us look like idiots. Those are the people I have an issue with, and will continue to have an issue with. Either do it right, or do not do it. Some of the people out there making a political statement with there hi-point in there unkle mikes should not be carrying guns. That is might point. They do not help anyone's cause. It is, what it is....

Actually, I agree with this. I don't CARE how people carry. What gets me is either saying "mine is the only way to carry. Any other is the coward's way" (yep, seen those words).

My point is exactly what you said. Support responsible carry, whether OC or CC.

Originally Posted by niadhf

Actually, I agree with this. I don't CARE how people carry. What gets me is either saying "mine is the only way to carry. Any other is the coward's way" (yep, seen those words).

My point is exactly what you said. Support responsible carry, whether OC or CC.

Precisely my point in this thread.

I like concealed carry for the obvious reasons already mentioned and would not like open carry for those same reasons. However, I'd also echo the sentiment that it is none of my business how some one else goes about being legally armed. You want to take the risks for the presumed benefits or advantages go for it. Personally I like high speed low drag aka low profile and the element of surprise. If that fateful day even finds me all I want the bad guy(s) to see is the flash. YMMV.

The first handgun I bought and carried was a Desert Eagle .50. Not to make a statement but because it was my favorite handgun on the planet at the time. I am a big guy (6'6'') and it fit me. It was a work of art imo and I always wanted it. I didnt have much money at the time so I didnt have multiple guns. I bought it and I carryed it in a shoulder holster. Oddly enough I never Had anyone say anything to me while opening carrying it. My next gun was a glock model .22 which i also open carried during the summer months. I was continously harressed by the police and a few business owners. I then downgraded to a taurus total titanium which I tried to keep concealed on a belt holder toward my back. Was once detained and checked by the police when my shirt had ridden up and it was exposed. I now carry pocket .380s in my pocket. It is sad that we have laws that allow us to open carry, yet are forced to carry small underpowered firearms and hide them just like the criminals do due to harrassement from the police and the uneducated public.

Whether we agree or disagree with how others carry, just remember we all do it for the same reason, to protect ourselves and our loved ones. If you have been targeted by a BG or Gang you have been targeted period. They are gonna try to take what they want and thats all there is to it. Carry with caution, prepare best you can, and hope we never find out if they are robbing us because they can or cant see our guns.