Originally Posted by zhurdan

Hard to prove or disprove as I don't believe it is something that is tracked, at least nothing that I have been able to find over the years. It would just seem logical that if someone was hell bent on robbing a store when there was a person there with a gun showing, that person would be the primary from the start.

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i understand your point, but the average stick up guy is gonna wait till there is less danger to himself..... the average crack head, is gonna do it anyway... so oc or cc we just need to keep an eye out for the guy who just doesnt give a sh!t ... i will admit that i currently live in a very low crime area in southern oregon and oc is pretty common .... and when i lived in philly i cc'd most of the time, wasnt worth the police hassle.

Originally Posted by zhurdan

Possibly, but it lets them plan their attack and I don't know about you, but I don't have eyes in the back of my head. Concealing doesn't make you look like less of a victim but open carry kinda makes you look like an easy place to pick up a free gun. Opinions differ, no offense intended.

I agree with zhurdan. I think people look and act like a victim and therefore become one. If you are aware of your environment and the people around you then you are less likely to be a victim then open carrying. I conceal carry everywhere (yes, I have my concealed carry permit) and would never open carry because I don't want to call more attention to myself. Just my opinion.

In Indiana, yes. Our permit says Permit to carry a handgun. It says nothing about concealed, and the law does permit that as long as you have a valid permit. I went, about a year ago, and took the class and paid the money for the Utah permit too. Now, that permit says Permit to carry a concealed weapon. So, if I am carrying in lets say Ohio, then I have to CC the gun. Ohio does not recognize Indiana's permit.

It is legal but, not for 18 yr.olds must be 21 in my state to own a handgun. I however choose NOT to do it because no one else does however, on the other hand if it shows or prints occasionally I could give a rat. I think the few times it has been exposed or I printed no one noticed; at least no one has mentioned it.

Well depends on what people read here in Texas according to Texas constitution article 23 says you can wear a gun openly not concealed, but they also added later that legislators can regulate the wearing of arms to prevent crime WTF lol
But Maybe one day we will go to open carry But I think ( me personally ) it would be best to carry concealed that way no one will know if I have it or not. But here in Texas 100+ temps in summer time makes it hard to conceale a large frame handgun without some form of printing, at least on my small frame body lol

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Here in Maryland, there is no open carry and it is not a "shall issue" State. Here, you have to provide a reason which the Maryland State Police must agree with before you can obtain a concealed carry permit. There is no open carry except for LEO's. And believe you me, the authorities here do not grant many permits. There are several suits filed now, waiting for trials, on this issue, and our watchdog group, Maryland Shall Issue, is trying hard to make this a "shall issue" State. Plus, we have Baltimore, one of the most murderous cities anywhere.

In Indiana, yes, as long as you have a carry permit. You cannot carry in Indiana, CC or OC without a permit.

I have read that it IS permitted in my state. Apparently you need a license that covers both concealed and open carry. I, of course, can not figure out how to obtain this special license... or maybe it isn't special... just the CCW?

Originally Posted by Holly

I have read that it IS permitted in my state. Apparently you need a license that covers both concealed and open carry. I, of course, can not figure out how to obtain this special license... or maybe it isn't special... just the CCW?

as you will not tell us what state you live in, i cant help with this ...unless you want to send me a pm?

it is legal to open carry in alabama without a permit as long as you stay on foot, if you get in your car to go home, it is then considered concealed and requires you to have a permit.

Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell

as you will not tell us what state you live in, i cant help with this ...unless you want to send me a pm?

I surrender, since my husband's given it away once anyway. North Dakota.

Oh Mr. Bear...... I gave away my secret. Will you help me, please?

It is always interresting to read about the various laws and rules of diffirent places regarding the carry of handguns by civilians.

In South Africa a civilian must have a LICENSE usued by the central (federal?) government to possess, carry and use a handgun for self defence purposes. One may not possess a fire arm untill the license to do so is in your possession. One must have a separate license for each individual gun you possesses. One can get only one license (have no more than one handgun) for self defence purposes.
Time from applying for a license to the time it being issued currently about 3 years. A license for self defence is only valid for 5 years whereafter one must re-apply for such a license. One is not entitled to a fire arm license and must convince the fire arm license department that there is a real need for such a license before they will approve your application - not an easy thing to do.

On the possitive side. If you have a license to possess for self defense you may carry the gun freely on your person (except for a few gun free zones) but MUST carry it concealed - no open carry allowed.
If you have a license to carry you may carry your gun over the whole of the Republic of South Africa and in all its provinces (states?), districts (counties?) and in all metros, cities, towns, villages ect - no such thing as local gun ordinances, county gun laws or state gun laws. Our national (federal?) gun control act is the only law/rule applying to all guns in the country so I don't have to try and find out what silly little gun laws exists from one place to another in South Africa.

Originally Posted by Holly

Oh Mr. Bear...... I gave away my secret. Will you help me, please?

calm down, takes a while to read thru all the laws...... so here goes the North Dakota open carry/concealed carry combo plan......

open carry
62.1-03-01. Carrying handgun - Restrictions - Exceptions.
1. A handgun may be carried by a person not prohibited from possessing one by section
62.1-02-01 or any other state statute, in a manner not prohibited by section 62.1-02-10
if:
a. Between the hours of one hour before sunrise and one hour after sunset, the
handgun is carried unloaded and either in plain view or secured.
b. Between the hours of one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise, the
handgun is carried unloaded and secured.

so dawn to dusk UNLOADED open carry or secured* is legal
then from dusk to dawn UNLOADED secured* carry is legal
*(definition of secured is not given, i interpret it to mean concealed as it refers to UNLOADED carry)

now for the part where your concealed weapons license effects your open carry restrictions.....

62.1-03-01.
1. Posted Above
2. The restrictions provided in subdivisions a and b of subsection 1 DO NOT apply to:
a. Any person possessing a valid North Dakota concealed weapons license or a
valid license issued by another state authorizing the person to carry a dangerous
weapon concealed if that state permits a holder of a valid North Dakota
concealed weapons license to carry a dangerous weapon concealed in that state
without obtaining a similar license from that state.

so in section 2 your permit exempts you from the state wide restrictions of section 1.....

now there may be other state restrictions or local ordinances and opencarry.org is your starting point. just go to the maps, click on your state and talk to the people on your forum, they will be a great help.

but always remember, read and understand the laws for yourself, its YOUR ass

Thank you for the info, Kind Sir.

Originally Posted by Holly

Thank you for the info, Kind Sir.

twas nuttin

Originally Posted by berettatoter

In Indiana, yes, as long as you have a carry permit. You cannot carry in Indiana, CC or OC without a permit.

At least it is easy to get a permit in IN.

Open carry is the default (normal, standard) mode of carrying a firearm in Virginia. We have no laws addressing open carry which makes this so. And Virginia is probably the most gun-lenient and gun-friendly state in the South so openly carrying your sidearm is a non-issue and obviously no permit is required to OC at one's pleasure.

Originally Posted by SigP229R

It is legal but, not for 18 yr.olds must be 21 in my state to own a handgun.

Not accurate. There is no law in NC preventing an 18 year old from receiving a handgun as a gift or buying from a private party. Federal law prevents under 21 YO from buying from a Dealer, not a private party. If you read the Statute for the Pistol Purchase Permit, you will see there is no age mentioned. Some Sheriffs do say you need to be 21 for them to issue a permit, but if it is for a private sale or a gift they will give a permit anyway since you can't legal transfer ownership of a pistol in NC without a Purchase Permit.

Originally Posted by clockworkjon

Hopefully this will be changing very soon!

At the rate police depts. and cities are facing lawsuits for making those charges and the new regulations.I'd say the changes are happening now.Slowly,but they are coming around.

Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell

open carry is legal in oregon, i open carry 90% of the time.... i have read that open carry gives away tactical advantage, and this may be true.... but it is also a deterrent.... anyone who would attack a person who is obviously armed and by extension willing to defend themselves is going to attack you anyway.... why conceal and therefore look like a better victim?

"when the jackals feast on gazelles, its good to be a lion"

i agree that 9 times out of 10 it will be more of a deterrent than a snatch and grab. I keep hearing tactical advantage. but if you reach and pull your shirt up and the guy is already jumpy and on adrenaline you are liable to get shot for making a move

Originally Posted by zhurdan

Possibly, but it lets them plan their attack and I don't know about you, but I don't have eyes in the back of my head. Concealing doesn't make you look like less of a victim but open carry kinda makes you look like an easy place to pick up a free gun. Opinions differ, no offense intended.

Ummm, There is a very slight risk I won't say it would never happen.

Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell

btw i wonder what the statistics are ..... how many open carry practitioners are attacked each year.... i would venture to guess it is less than the number of cc practitioners attacked.

I hear and read about more CC getting "attacked". of course with the small number of open carry practioners I can see why you would hear more. I think if I recall correctly I have only heard of one guy having his gun taken from him and that was on youtube.

Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell

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i understand your point, but the average stick up guy is gonna wait till there is less danger to himself..... the average crack head, is gonna do it anyway... so oc or cc we just need to keep an eye out for the guy who just doesnt give a sh!t ... i will admit that i currently live in a very low crime area in southern oregon and oc is pretty common .... and when i lived in philly i cc'd most of the time, wasnt worth the police hassle.

How many news stories have we seen were a gas station clerk takes a broom handle or something and hits the guy with a gun once in the head and the guy runs. or the clerk pulls his arm and punches him. The very vast majority of crooks are looking for a quick and easy way to get money. They don't wanna deal with someone who will fight back and them risking getting caught by the cops on top of it. Not saying they all are like that but alot of them are too lazy to fight back.

Originally Posted by Peaches

I agree with zhurdan. I think people look and act like a victim and therefore become one. If you are aware of your environment and the people around you then you are less likely to be a victim then open carrying. I conceal carry everywhere (yes, I have my concealed carry permit) and would never open carry because I don't want to call more attention to myself. Just my opinion.

You might have people look at you weird. Well I guess that is if you are somewhere that people carry concealed. Even with open carry you should be aware of what is around you. I would venture to say most people who open carry are more observant due ot the fact they do run a slight risk of a gun snatch or attack.

Originally Posted by bruce333

Not accurate. There is no law in NC preventing an 18 year old from receiving a handgun as a gift or buying from a private party. Federal law prevents under 21 YO from buying from a Dealer, not a private party. If you read the Statute for the Pistol Purchase Permit, you will see there is no age mentioned. Some Sheriffs do say you need to be 21 for them to issue a permit, but if it is for a private sale or a gift they will give a permit anyway since you can't legal transfer ownership of a pistol in NC without a Purchase Permit.

I have heard different so I don't know. I know it i sok for a rifle. but I am not quite sure about the pistol deal.

Open carry is legal in Kansas but some towns would not allow it. In fact the AG served notice on the City of Wichita that state law overrides local law and Wichita caved in. They announced the change on the evening news report-open carry is now legal in Wichita. If any other town in Kansas prohibits open carry they will get a special visit from the AG. Gosh I like living in Kansas.

OC will be good to go on Nov. 1, 2012 in Oklahoma. Most of the guys and gals I know will continue to CC, with OC being an option. After the new law goes into effect, it certainly will be nice to be less concerned about "brandishing" if your CC weapon is inadvertently displayed.

I have a PA license to carry a firearm. It does NOT specify CC or OC but I prefer CC. A lot of the locals are narrow minded to close minded about people carring firearms (pistols) except for target shooting. I don't want the hassle of the police, etc stopping me for something I'm doing legally.