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    How do you move to NY?

    My nephew is moving to up state NY. I have read the gun laws on the NRA website. It seems you must have a license to have a handgun in your home. What is the process with guns he already owns?
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    What part of NY? Each county has some slightly different rules.

    In general, you need to have a license to posses a handgun in New York - even in your home. The good news is that most (almost all) of the licenses issued are to carry concealed, although the issuing judge may add his or her own restrictions to the license. NYS law makes no provision for restrictions, and as it was explained to me by a State Trooper, the "restrictions" on the license are the purposes for which the license was issued, not legal limitations on how or ware the handgun can be carried. Although NYC and Buffalo are off limits.

    I believe the right way to do it would be to have the guns shipped by a FFL in AZ to a FFL in NY who will hold them until the license is issued. Alternatively, he could probably leave them in someone's care in AZ and then transfer them into NY after the license is issued. A word of caution though, all the handguns in your possession have to be listed on the license. NY likes to know what kind of toys you have.

    It amazes me that with such a simple and easy to navigate system involving about $200 in costs, a thorough background check, lots of paper work and running around, a 3 to 6 month wait and multiple trips to a notary, criminals still would rather buy a gun on the black-market instead of just following the rules.

    Here is a helpful website that explains the process in my county:

    Orange County Shooters

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    OP, One thing to double check, i believe it is state law, in order to apply for a pistol permit, you need to be a resident of the state for six months!!! This is the one that made my life difficult. I had to gift all my handguns to my father, then after the process (different specifics by county see here for an example New York and Microstamping ) have them FFL transfered back to me. Again as KEV74 said, where. makes a huge difference.
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    OP,

    Tell your nephew I'm sorry... I was born in NY. Now I live in Florida.

    No state taxes, no restrictive gun laws, no snow, and no Clintons...

    JW

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    We'd be glad to have him OP. We could use more folks that aren't afraid of firearms here.

    Kev gave you a great overview, and niadhf is right about the 6 months residency requirement. A point of clarification, there is only one type of handgun permit - ALL handgun permits are permits to carry concealed. The local judge/sheriff may add restrictions (hunting and target shooting only, premisis only), but they are not legally enforcable, aside from giving grounds for revocation of the permit. NY is a "may issue" state, and is therefore not obligated to issue the permit.

    NYC is a seperate animal. I understand that it is nearly impossible to obtain a permit to carry a handgun there. A seperate permit is required. To my knowledge, anyone licensed to carry a handgun can carry in Buffalo though. If there is any info to the contrary, I'd be very interested to read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLB View Post
    We'd be glad to have him OP. We could use more folks that aren't afraid of firearms here.

    Kev gave you a great overview, and niadhf is right about the 6 months residency requirement. A point of clarification, there is only one type of handgun permit - ALL handgun permits are permits to carry concealed. The local judge/sheriff may add restrictions (hunting and target shooting only, premisis only), but they are not legally enforcable, aside from giving grounds for revocation of the permit. NY is a "may issue" state, and is therefore not obligated to issue the permit.

    NYC is a seperate animal. I understand that it is nearly impossible to obtain a permit to carry a handgun there. A seperate permit is required. To my knowledge, anyone licensed to carry a handgun can carry in Buffalo though. If there is any info to the contrary, I'd be very interested to read it.

    I was off base with the Buffalo info. Sorry about that. I guess when you get info from the internet, you get what you pay for.

    New York does issue premises permits for home or business, but these are not unusually applied for - you'd got through the same process for a more restrictive license.

    Alright, enough Jib-Jab from this internet expert. Here it is from the horse's (jackass'?) mouth:

    ARTICLE 400 - LICENSING AND OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING TO FIREARMS

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    I came from Buffalo, NY and it was a BITCH to try and get a handgun.

    I am sure if you contacted the NY State police they could tell you how to go about it.

    I lived in Erie county and it would have taken 18 months for the permit to get issued. At that time you had to take a course, and submit the paperwork to the clerks office. You then had a sheriff investigate you along with an interview to decide if you are safe to own a handgun.

    TOTAL BS in my book..... Especially with the technology of today. The timeframe may have gotten shorter, but still I am so glad to have moved out of the GD state. I still don't understand why it took me 47 years before I realized it....

    If he is moving to the Buffalo area, let me know. I have friends that are Sheriffs and Amherst police. I would be glad to contact them to assist your nephew.
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    tHANKS FOR ALL THE HELP. i HAVE HIM CONVINCED TO LEAVE MOST OF THE GUNS HERE UNTILL HE CAN LEGALY OWN THEM.
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    Bill's nephew is also bringing a shotgun. How are the laws regarding long guns?
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    Long guns are very easy. if you can pass a white sheet call you are good (again, buffalo, NYC have tighter and different restrictions). Assuming of course he is over 18. In regards to big jims comment of "keep em in the house and noone is wiser". aside from forum rules (mike did you really miss that one?) to do so would be illegal and a felony. I agree that the gun laws here are BS (i got permited transporting down to GA for an IDPA shoot, at the Albany airport), however, blatant disregard of the law, and advocating for such, is NOT responsible gun ownership. It just gives New Yorkers against Handgun Violence, and other such groups, more ammunition to be used against us (excuse the pun please). Also, the mandatory jail term, felony offense also applies if he gets caught with it INSIDE his house.
    Hey PSAPOA (also know as Old Padawan), keep in mind that even BLACKPOWDER pistols are restricted, unless NONE of the components are EVER kept with which to make them fire (yes, balls, powder and caps).

    So WHY is he looking to move here ? (i'm looking at GA myself right now)

    P.S as far as i can tell, NY is the ONLY state in the nation that does not have a "you can transport through the state locked up" law. The ONLY way a person not holding a NY LTC can bring a handgun into the state is if they are attending an NRA sanctioned competition....and have a copy of the event advertising stating it is such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niadhf View Post
    Long guns are very easy. if you can pass a white sheet call you are good.
    Is that a 4473/NICs check?

    Assuming of course he is over 18.
    He is.

    (mike did you really miss that one?)
    I did. Thanks for pointing it out.

    So WHY is he looking to move here ? (i'm looking at GA myself right now)
    A girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Is that a 4473/NICs check?
    ummmm........ i would guess so, but have never really looked at the form number.

    I did. Thanks for pointing it out.
    mikey missed one? wow.
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    A girl.
    nuff said.

    oh yeah one more thing (and if one of you guys wants to pm me an e-mail i can send you some of the laws etc. i have downloaded.).....ny still has a 10 round mag restricion unless it was built before 1986 (? you know same as brady bill). so keep that in mind in shipping him his guns (assuming HERE he is over 21) in about 9-12 months after he moves here. (6 for residencey, 3-6 for permit)

    now i know you have avoided this question 3 times, but....roughly (county) WHERE in NYS. As you can see that can make a BIG difference in approval of application or not. (is she REALLY worth it?)

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    He's leaving tonight, so whether or not she's worth it is moot at this point. There are other issues involved, but I don't want to get too deeply into the young man's business.

    He's moving to the Fort Drum area.
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    Ft. Drum area??? If he doesn't know what winter is, he will soon!

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    I love it up there....... Went to school at Paul Smiths College.

    Wish him good luck from us.... and the winters aren't that bad.... they are worse around Watertown and Buffalo as the are both at the ends of the lakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev74 View Post
    Ft. Drum area??? If he doesn't know what winter is, he will soon!
    Heh heh heh. I grew up in New England and drilled with the Guard at Fort Drum several times. I have repeatedly warned this young Arizona boy about the weather there. He has no idea. I hope his girl can keep him warm.
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    I went to Clarkson University, in Potsdam, NY. I few frigid miles east of Watertown/Ft Drum.

    Hardly ever had any snow there... The 6-month-permanant 3" of solid black-ice on everything shed the snow, due to the constant 30+mph winter wind blowing out of Alaska, via a few thousand miles of Canadian Shield.

    God, I hope the NY girl isn't a Upstate NY local... I never met a single woman born in NY worth moving for... I guess I'm spoiled by 9 years in Southern Cali, and 6 years in FL!!!

    Just bring a good 870... Much easier to own, and born and raised in AZ.... he might not be there long enough for thepermit to come through!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
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    God, I hope the NY girl isn't a Upstate NY local... I never met a single woman born in NY worth moving for... I guess I'm spoiled by 9 years in Southern Cali, and 6 years in FL!!!
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    yep you probably are, but i thought my wife was worth moving for (i moved a whole 8 miles, she moved 2 states lol)

    course who knows, i have been wrong before. and NO you can't quote me on that.

    Mike etc, i don't know the ease of permiting up there, but would hazard a guess it should not be like some of these areas around the capitol (and for you out west it is pronounce all-bany not al-bany lol)

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    The young man left yesterday for the cross-country journey. I wish him well.

    The young lady is an Arizona girl who was assigned to 10th Mountain as an MP. Bad job in a great unit.
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    Thanks for all the info. He left last night. He is looking forward to the residency period so he can hunt.
    He HATES the cold. When the snow starts falling, I will be sending him pictures of Mike and I sitting out by the pool in short sleeve shirts with cold beer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Padawan View Post
    Thanks for all the info. He left last night. He is looking forward to the residency period so he can hunt.
    He HATES the cold. When the snow starts falling, I will be sending him pictures of Mike and I sitting out by the pool in short sleeve shirts with cold beer.
    if he hates the cold he is scr#%$@!
    Residency applies to LTC only, not long guns. And i THINK (check DEC zones on this http://www.dec.ny.gov/ ) that he is in a rifle zone (some are shotgun only)

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