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    Hello, I am purchasing my first pistol in the near future. I have had SOME experience with pistols, but not much. I am buying this for home protection, Target shooting, and defense on a property. I am recoil sensitive, so nothing higher than .380 or 9mm, but higher than .22 and 25 acp. I had pocket pistols, and sub compact in mind, but I can be convinced for compact. I want a slide on the gun with blowback. No kahrs, or glocks. No snub nose revolvers. Very low recoil so my 14 year old son can easily manage it. Nothing with even the option of full auto. Semi only. Any suggestions?
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    My Very Best Advice: Do not buy a sub-compact or a compact pistol.

    Small pistols are experts' tools. They are not for beginners.
    If you are "recoil sensitive," a small pistol will only make it worse. They are difficult to hold, difficult to control, and difficult to shoot accurately and effectively.

    A beginner is best served by a full-size, full-weight, all-metal pistol. Any child over the age of 10 can be taught to shoot one effectively.
    Weight absorbs felt recoil. A full-size grip makes hanging onto the gun easy. A full-length barrel and sight radius makes hitting the target easier.
    Further, I suggest that your full-size, full-weight, all-metal pistol be in .45 ACP caliber, because that cartridge delivers a "softer" recoil than does any other self-defense loading. It is a "push," rather than a "jab."

    Recoil is controlled by pistol weight, bullet velocity, and tightness of hold.
    If you grip a full-size pistol extremely firmly, and keep your arms solid, recoil won't hurt you.
    If you grip the gun loosely, it will have a "running start," and shooting it will hurt.

    If you expect to use your pistol for self defense, you should take at least one class in pistol technique. After that, you should practice. Frequently.
    Regardless of what you see in the movies and on TV, pistol shooting is not easy to learn. It is not easy to do well, either.
    If you are defending yourself from an attacker who is 20 feet away, it is more likely that your shots will miss, than that they will hit. Go pace off 20 feet, and see just how close that is.

    Find a shooting range where they will rent time on several different pistols, and try out as many as you can, at the rate of about five different guns per day's session.
    Take notes. Pay no attention to accuracy, since any gun you will be shooting will be more accurate than you are—by a great deal, actually. Look only for comfort in your hand and easy access to controls, and then for the reputation of the maker.
    Only you can choose your own pistol. Nobody here can tell you what to buy. We can only tell you what works for each of us, but we are not you.

    Good luck. Let us know how it turns out.


    BTW: This area of the forum contains several "stickys," all of which are worth your time. Read them all, because they will answer most of your questions.

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    Full auto is when the gun fires repeatedly with the trigger squeezed once. Are you looking for a double action gun?
    Double action is when you squeeze the trigger ,the hammer comes back and forward with one pull of the trigger

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    The Model 84 .380 Beretta is a really nice gun. They can be had in either a single (Model 85) or double-stack magazine.

    Mid-size frame and easy to use. Recoil is very manageable and not intimidating.

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    " Nothing with even the option of full auto. Semi only. Any suggestions?"

    What does This quote from above mean ? It has me thinking

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    Yes,the full auto comment throws out the gist that you believe what you hear and don't question it,just an FYI like clips being magazines.Title II (full or select fire) has been regulated since 1934 but if you want to jump through BS you can pay an absorbinant amout of money to legally own one of them or a suppressor (silencer).That is if you aren't a felon,whackaloon,etc.Ironically,the country we threw out a few centuries ago now allows and encourages the few with guns to suppress them for kindness of the neighbors.Quite ironic.I believe what you may be referencing is posts about a gun suddenly going FA,which does happen blowback or delayed blowback regardless of design (semi auto only of course),caliber or size.It's quite common on 1911s that people screw with trying to improve the trigger on and don't see the big picture of what's going on.Basically they think you can swap a part because they can take the gun apart that far but don't look at the true functioning.Anyway,I digress.

    Now,by design a blowback outside of a 22 normally has a very stong recoil spring that makes the slide harder to manipulate,but also imparts more recoil to the shooter.Having said that,I have been outside the current crop of these guns so I can't say what's what,but plastic does absorb recoil and there are delayed blowback out there.As Steve said,there are many variables that affect recoil so don't be closed minded-you really need to handle and fire what's available now.

    You mentioned a 9mm,stray that way over anything smaller.To me a basicl 9 load in a normal size or "old" compact is mellower than a 380 out of a Sig 230 (now 232) or a PPK.To me a 9mm 1911 in the 4 1/4" barrel or the 5" is quite mellow,but they're heavy being all steel.Aluminum frames shed weight but increrase the hit in the hand and muzzle flip,plastic may or not be the same,mellower or worse.I've mainly shot steel 1911s for decades and hate plastic,but the recoil is no worse than hot +P 9s in a light gun.I caved to the plastic and bought an HK USP 45 and this plastic gun shoots mellower than a fullsize Beretta 92 with mediochre hot rounds.The point here is,shoot it,you won't know otherwise.What you think you may like on face value may cost you trading around finding the right one.Not as bad as cars,but take it off the lot and depreciation starts without throwing gas in it.

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