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    Quote Originally Posted by rex View Post
    My 5"USP is 12+1 too,but barely moves.Accurate and fast followup shots are what count,if you can't pull off 3 shots a second 7yds out you're too slow.Handguns are your worst choice of firearm but they're better than a knife or club,you have to drill them until they break down because one shot stops are rare on real criminals.
    Where did you get this info though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    A handgun bullet ain't gonna knock anyone down.
    Well yea, it won't take him off his feet, but it's definitely enough to stop all but the most crazed jerk on drugs.

    Local news covered a story the other day, where a single round of 22 rat-shot to the belly proved to be sufficient to persuade the jerk that robbing that man's house was not a good idea. Home invasion wielding a machete, and a single round convinced him it was a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40inAVL View Post
    Well yea, it won't take him off his feet, but it's definitely enough to stop all but the most crazed jerk on drugs.

    Local news covered a story the other day, where a single round of 22 rat-shot to the belly proved to be sufficient to persuade the jerk that robbing that man's house was not a good idea. Home invasion wielding a machete, and a single round convinced him it was a bad idea.
    The thing is, unless you hit the central nervous system or the spinal cord, you really never know how your assailant is going to react to being hit. There are just too many variables to make a cut and dried statement about stopping someone or causing them to collapse. This is why proper training will include the concept of firing until the threat is eliminated (this means ceases). Now if there are multiple attackers, this concept is the best argument for "high capacity magazines". Misses, non-stopping hits, BG's who can take a lot of punishment.... all scream for having enough ammunition in your firearm to give you a chance to survive.

    But the fact remains that you are not going to know whether or not your chosen caliber and load is going to do the job in an instant case until you have to call upon it to save your skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    Where did you get this info though?
    It's my amd others observations from being around guns and watching crime for a few decades.

    3 shots a second at close range is not hard with practice,and slow compared to the IPSC and IDPA boys.

    It's long been known hanguns are not your first choice for defense,but it's kind of hard to conceal a rifle or shotgun.

    One shot stops are not the norm with real criminals,that's been known for a long time.I'm talking real criminals,not the street punks like XD40 mentions stopping at the sight or a shot from a gun.Years of reading Marshall,Sanow,Ayoob and the like have backed this up.A one shot stop means you hit that small target that shuts down the CNS,not the bad guy peeing his pants because you put a 44mag throough his shoulder.Cops and Military carry large capacity mags and spares for a reason,it's likely to have multiple assailants and the real bad guys rarely stop with a shot,you have to hammer them until they stop.There are many cases where the perp was drilled with many rounds and decided to stop and didn't die,just recently I read one where a heavy guy was hit over 10 times and still walked to the ambulance but I don't remember if he lived or not.It's also been proven you can destroy a person's heart and if they're determined still have around 30 seconds to kill you before they expire.

    While the majority of people don't meet up with the real bad guys,don't be complacent thinking you never will.There's a difference between a street punk and a real criminal,if you remain aware you can usually be prepared for a street punk whereas the pros have a better handle on stealth and surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye7751 View Post
    Me too!!!
    They both have their place I just didn't care for the .40.. But the argument will go on forever.
    Yes, the argument will be endless. As any fan of Douglas Adams will tell you the only perfect caliber would be .42!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rex View Post
    It's my amd others observations from being around guns and watching crime for a few decades.

    3 shots a second at close range is not hard with practice,and slow compared to the IPSC and IDPA boys.

    It's long been known hanguns are not your first choice for defense,but it's kind of hard to conceal a rifle or shotgun.

    One shot stops are not the norm with real criminals,that's been known for a long time.I'm talking real criminals,not the street punks like XD40 mentions stopping at the sight or a shot from a gun.Years of reading Marshall,Sanow,Ayoob and the like have backed this up.A one shot stop means you hit that small target that shuts down the CNS,not the bad guy peeing his pants because you put a 44mag throough his shoulder.Cops and Military carry large capacity mags and spares for a reason,it's likely to have multiple assailants and the real bad guys rarely stop with a shot,you have to hammer them until they stop.There are many cases where the perp was drilled with many rounds and decided to stop and didn't die,just recently I read one where a heavy guy was hit over 10 times and still walked to the ambulance but I don't remember if he lived or not.It's also been proven you can destroy a person's heart and if they're determined still have around 30 seconds to kill you before they expire.

    While the majority of people don't meet up with the real bad guys,don't be complacent thinking you never will.There's a difference between a street punk and a real criminal,if you remain aware you can usually be prepared for a street punk whereas the pros have a better handle on stealth and surprise.

    Make no mistake. One can be as deadly as the other. A "real criminal" may only be interested in any valuables that you may own, and has no interest in killing you.

    A "street punk" may only be interested in any valuables that you may own. Difference is, the street punk may kill you just for the hell of it.

    In a nutshell, a criminal is a criminal. I don't differentiate between any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couch Potato View Post
    ...As any fan of Douglas Adams will tell you the only perfect caliber would be .42!
    ...And, if Vogons ever read poetry to you, remember: DON'T PANIC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couch Potato View Post
    Yes, the argument will be endless. As any fan of Douglas Adams will tell you the only perfect caliber would be .42!
    Naah, my .43 whizbang will have their feet in the air. And I'll have 23 more rounds to shoot him again.

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    I own pistols in both. 40 and. 45. I like them both and feel using either for self defence will do the job. I do like that most .40s&w pistols will have greater magazine capacity than a .45. Ammo for. 40 is also a little cheaper for target practice.

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    Any caliber that begins with a 4 is ok with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrycork View Post
    Any caliber that begins with a 4 is ok with me.
    I like the way you think,

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    The thing is, unless you hit the central nervous system or the spinal cord, you really never know how your assailant is going to react to being hit. There are just too many variables to make a cut and dried statement about stopping someone or causing them to collapse. This is why proper training will include the concept of firing until the threat is eliminated (this means ceases). Now if there are multiple attackers, this concept is the best argument for "high capacity magazines". Misses, non-stopping hits, BG's who can take a lot of punishment.... all scream for having enough ammunition in your firearm to give you a chance to survive.

    But the fact remains that you are not going to know whether or not your chosen caliber and load is going to do the job in an instant case until you have to call upon it to save your skin.
    Yea, there is "no standard" in BG's, but most of them are probably scared silly, just desperate when they break into homes. Racking a shotgun or a belly peppered with rat-shot will send them scurrying like the rat they are. I bet the guy that got the belly full of rat-shot had no idea of caliber or round, just that he had been shot and wanted only to get the hell out of there.

    There is always a 12ga automatic with slugs or 00 if your looking to transfer foot-pounds of energy into the BG.

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