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What gun can be probably moved from one area of the US to another area.

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Main Question: I'm asking you. What gun should I buy.

I'm looking for a specific handgun that meets a narrow criteria. This is because some US states prohibit the ownership of certain guns in their state, counties, or cities. So, here it is. Under what conditions (permit, training, talking to lawyers, etc), can I own only one gun (or more than one gun if necessary for training and for defense) and legally/potentially live in any US state?

As you can probably guess, my job forces me to move around a lot, so any gun I buy should have the potential to be moved to any US state. Can I live in more than one arbitrary state with only one gun? Why is your choice of gun right for me.


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Yes, beyond being an exciting thing to do, I want to be realistic and try and protect myself with my first handgun. The gun can be an automatic or revolver. I'm hoping that it will be the only gun I ever own, and I never have to shoot anyone.

Reason to buy gun: Recently, a close family friend was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut. I found out six days later. I was stunned and dazed for a few days after that. I'm still a little emotional about it. This death amounts to a final warning to me. I.E.: I either have to learn how to protect myself or potentially face the same consequence.

During this time of grief, I kept seeing myself unsuccessfully trying to attack the killer with a spray can. Can you imagine that disaster.

My background is that I, personally, have always been concerned about my own self defense. For example, when I moved myself across the country (US) a year ago, I purchased my first mace can. At the time, I did not buy a taser because it's not legal in some areas of the US. My mace can that came from 'Sports Authority' only allows me to have 5 or 10 sprays before it empties out!

Over the last year, I have had a safe room in my home, etc. I have always bought a lot of self defense stuff but never have become active in survival. I spent over a decade about $1,000.00 on my hobby. This stuff is all collecting dust.

That said, I want to seriously protect myself with a good reliable gun which is practical, easy to maintain, and is affordable to "keep". I have never owned or used a gun before. But, I want to protect myself the best way possible.

I am serious.

Once I have a gun, I will take the "Basic Pistol" NRA course. I obtained this little tid-bit of information via a suggestion from glock.pro.

I'm hoping that you can help me solve my dilemma (with or without a gun). I'm lost, so I need enough information to be able to seriously get protected with a gun.

Again, I want to own a gun in several unknown US states. I have lived all over the US, so if I am to own a gun I have to consider living in any US state. My profession forces me to live all over the place. I want to become an expert at protecting myself with my gun.

If one gun cannot possibly meet this strict criteria then what gun can be legally moved to the most US states. How many states can this gun be moved to and what are they.

Basically, what gun can I buy to allow me to do this. I have never shot or owned a gun before. So, if you highly recommend that I own more than one gun please explain the reasons to me. (E.G.:One gun should be used to learn, and the second can be my main gun.)

If you suggest that I own a different gun in almost every state please elaborate on this to me. What is the best way to do this.

Also, how do I physically move the gun from state to state. I called the "Allied Moving" company, and they told me that they cannot transport the gun. Someone else told me that was probably because of insurance. Will I have to always sell my gun before I move. Can I put the gun and 200 rounds of ammunition in a checked bag at the airlines and get away with just telling them it's there. Or, should I call them first. What does the US law say I have to do to move my gun to a different state?

Here is what the Internet site glock.pro told me. I should consult the local authories at my future destination about their gun laws/information. And, they told me to review state and city information from the sites www-nraila.org and handgunlaw.us. They also told me to become an NRA member and to get a carry permit because most incidents just don't occur in the home. One person there gave me the tip that if a gun is approved for California, Illinois, and Massachusetts then it is probably legal anywhere in the US.

glock.pro did not give me specific gun to buy recommendations. Here at handgunforum I want to at least reduce my large available pool of guns to a smaller manageble size.

I was previously considering of purchasing a Glock 20 SF (with 15 round magazines) as a first gun. I am no longer considering this gun because I probably woun't be able to handle the recoil.

I don't feel I can use a 22 caliber gun because it doesn't have a realistic self defense recoil.

There is a limit to my buget to do all this. I.E.: It's just not unlimited. I, ultimately, just want to protect myself. And, do what I have to do to be able to adequately shoot it year after year.

If I decide to purchase a gun I will buy it and the other required things from a shop near where I live. I'll buy a vertical holster for much later, cleaning kit, ammo, et.

Is a 9mm gun the best handgun for me. If so what specific gun meets my strict requirements. I want a gun which is easy to use, maintainable, and reliable. I guess the fewer the parts the better for me.

Finally, what ammunition should I buy, and how much should I keep in my home. Should I buy ammo for the training range and different ammo for the gun while it's at home. Why is that.

Thank you,
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I also suggest purchasing three or four classic (maybe even ex-G.I.) seven-round magazines (from anyone except Triple-K). Use them instead of the eight-round versions.
For a total cost of $191.47, my gun dealer ordered for me three 7 round magazines.

Description: 45 ACP 7 Rounds Magazine
Manufacturer: Ed Brown
Item #: EB847

It will take about 12 days for the magazines to arrive.

These magazine are suppose to fit on many handguns.
 
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#29 ·
They See if you can find ex-G.I. magazines from Gun Parts Corp. Click on: Firearm Parts & Accessories | Military Surplus | Numrich Gun Parts
Also try Colt Parts. Click on: Antique Firearms & Colt Parts for Old Guns
And, of course, there's Brownells. Click on: BROWNELLS 1911 MAGAZINES | Brownells
I called and talked to my gun owner's assistant before I went to the store. The assistant did not have time to look for the magazines before I went in.

My gun dealer and his assistant looked through manuals for about 20 minutes before they found anything for my gun. They took out the magazine of another Taurus PT-1911 gun (from its gun case) and looked at that. After finding something in a manual, they found the actual price of the magazine online. The assistant looked the longest. They also searched google. It looked like they almost got to the point where they were going to give-up.

I'm hoping that the three expensive magazines that I bought will (almost) last me a life time.

I'll address any problems that I have when they happen.

I'll keep my two 8 round magazines, but never use them if I, eventually, land up in a state such as New York. My gun dealer told me that using the 8 round magazines in a state such as NY could become a felony. He said people have a year to conform to the law.

Thanks for the information
 
#30 ·
Your PT 1911 should be able to have a 7 round mag fit it. I have some 7rds that I carry only cause the FBI said they are more reliable v/s the 8rd mags "not sure that is true". NY is so dumb it didn't exempt it's own Police from the mag ban and will have to make new law giving them permission to carry more than 7 rounds. Make myself a mental note not to do any traveling to NY ever on vacation again.
 
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I called and talked to my gun owner's assistant before I went to the store. The assistant did not have time to look for the magazines before I went in.

My gun dealer and his assistant looked through manuals for about 20 minutes before they found anything for my gun. They took out the magazine of another Taurus PT-1911 gun (from its gun case) and looked at that. After finding something in a manual, they found the actual price of the magazine online. The assistant looked the longest. They also searched google. It looked like they almost got to the point where they were going to give-up.

I'm hoping that the three expensive magazines that I bought will (almost) last me a life time.

I'll address any problems that I have when they happen.

I'll keep my two 8 round magazines, but never use them if I, eventually, land up in a state such as New York. My gun dealer told me that using the 8 round magazines in a state such as NY could become a felony. He said people have a year to conform to the law.

Thanks for the information
they have a year to conform then a high cap mag will become a misdemeanor and you will go to jail for a while.
I ordered some Wolfe Mags that hold 7 rounds only. You can find the 7 rd mags but with the scare in all the people they are buying everything up. Call CDNN @ 800-588-9500 and tell them what mags you are looking for and you should have it soon.
 
#32 ·
On a wall at a local shooting range, there is a list of US states which honor the Virginia conceal carry permit.

On the list, there was also a list of states under the heading "Virgina Res Permits". What is this?

States that honor VA permit: ID, UT, MT, AZ, SD, NE, NM, TX, OK, MO, AR, LA, MS, IN, OH, PA, WV, KY, TN, NC, AK, and DE.

VA Res permits only: FL, SC, and MI.
 
#34 ·
In order to try and prevent shooting low and to the left, I'm going to try pulling the trigger as slow as possible. This way I am hoping to have more control of the gun. It's like I'll have a shorter squeeze of the trigger.

Before, I would just pull the trigger fast. From the first movement of my trigger finger to the end would take let's say a second and involve an inch of movement.

Tomorrow, I'll try very slowly moving my trigger finger. Before firing, I can stop and begin squeezing again. When the gun fires, I'll stop. This amounts to a shorter finger movement time and a shorter distance covered by my trigger finger.

A longer fast squeeze time may be the cause of shots going low and to the left. I.E.: Three of my fingers from pinky-in are moved.

If I move my trigger finger slow this will give me better control of my fingers. If I move my trigger finger a shorter distance the three pinky-in fingers will not move. This is because a shorter distance moved by the index finger means that control doesn't expand outwards to the other fingers. The distance moved by the index finger defines the control area from where-ever trigger finger movement starts to where-ever it ends. If I keep the control area small the three pinky-in fingers are never in the affected control area.

Moving my trigger finger slow isolates its movement from the three pinky-in fingers.

What do you think.
 
#35 ·
1. Don't think "squeeze." Instead, think "press." "Squeeze" involves curling the finger, while "press" implies moving a portion of your finger straight back.
2. For a beginner, slow is always better than fast. Always try for "slow and smooth," rather than fast. "Fast" implies a jerky movement, but you want a smooth movement instead.
3. As you already know, you need to isolate your trigger finger. ("Isolate" is dancer-speak for moving only that one finger, while the others remain unmoving.) Slow, smooth practice at isolating your trigger finger will cure the "low-and-left blues."

There is a form of hand exerciser which will help you both strengthen all of your fingers, and isolate your trigger finger. Both my wife and I have used it quite successfully.
It's called the Gripmaster, and we suggest using the medium-tension (red) version. Click on: http://www.gripmaster.com.au/, and have a look. You can get it locally, or on the web.
 
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