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    So, OK, Jake, tell us what your suggestion is.

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    Those teachers, you know the ones that we trust our kids minds with? You could let them CCW, thats literally the only thing you would need to do. What if they don't want to CCW? Then the Principal should. I mean he's the discipline in the school? How come people don't trust each other anymore? Everybody believes the world is an evil and cruel place yet it is not. It is a place where we are all scarred of eachother! My generation feels more at home talking to people through glass (cells and computers) then talking in person. Where are we?

    We don't have to pay the government more money for extra police or useless security guards (like the TSA who end up molesting you).

    There were teachers in my high school that like it or not, I would have trusted to have a gun. Don't want an adult shooting a crazy teenage psychopath. Thats fine too, just let him watch innocent people die. It is our choice what happens to these people. But as I have said before, this is coming from a guy who went to a HS where literally one of our classmates went berserk, so what do I know about being a fish in a barrel...

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    So how does that differ from letting a responsible parent (or a cadre of parents) carry a concealed weapon and act as a volunteer security guard?
    Teacher, volunteering parent, principal—there isn't any functional difference.
    All the CCW adult needs is a sense of responsibility and some time commitment, including for training.

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    Security guard = no guns where Im from

    In other places Im sure they let them be armed but most places no. The reason? Its a liability problem. Theres a bigger problem here then just guards at schools. Its people everywhere need to step up and take responsibility

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    Teachers can carry concealed weapons in tiny Texas town
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/20...ny-texas-town/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Who is this "they" of whom you write?

    Being emphatic, but entirely ungrammatical: You is the "they."

    If your local school needs a security guard, why not volunteer?
    Well for one thing, I think the people guarding our kids should have combat experience, and unfortunately I was unable to serve. So, I don't think I would be effective in the type of situation that we know can happen. We used to have metal detectors and guards at schools around here, and I honestly don't remember if and when they stopped doing that, and I don't remember if those guys were armed or not.

    Edit: The news just said that the high schools and middle schools do have guards. Columbine really shook us up around here, as well as all the gangs in the 80s and 90s.

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    Elsewhere (maybe even on another forum?) someone pointed out that we have armed security guards in some banks and at some malls, but for some reason schools aren't seen to need them.

    I don't think that I'd need combat experience, to be an armed guard at a school. Maybe I'd need some extra training, particularly in preventing snatches and in unarmed combat, but that'd be all. The only operational training would be to learn to move toward the gunfire, and to make sure of what's behind your target before you fire a shot.
    From what we've seen, these shooters are mostly cowards, taking out their frustrations on what they believe to be people unable to fight back. When anyone confronts them from a position of strength, the next thing you hear is the "BANG!" of the shooter killing himself. The recent Portland, OR, mall shooting is a case in point.

    Maybe just being there, and being able to respond, would be enough of a deterrent.

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    Re: Another shooting?

    “Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?”

    ― Joseph Stalin

    Of course our public schools are already implementing the later part as seen by test scores here.

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