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    Quote Originally Posted by TheReaper View Post
    This whole thing has me speechless. I can only imagine the pain that the parents of these children must feel.
    Sad day indeed. At this point who cares about the political side of things. It will come out and we can fight then. The children and parents should have our prayers.

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    America is Egypt: The Land of Denial
    Note that the author of this essay denies that autism is an illness, and that autistics can be uncontrollably violent, while, in the very same essay, she describes the actions of an uncontrollable and very violent autistic child.

    (Excerpted from an op-ed essay in The New York Times)

    Don’t Blame Autism for Newtown
    By Priscilla Gilman
    (Published: December 17, 2012)

    ...Asperger’s and autism are not forms of mental illness; they are neurodevelopmental disorders or disabilities.

    ...While autistic children can sometimes be aggressive, this is usually because of their frustration at being unable to express themselves verbally, or their extreme sensory sensitivities...

    We should encourage greater compassion for all parents facing an extreme challenge, whether they have children with autism or mental illness or have lost their children to acts of horrific violence (and that includes the parents of killers).

    Consider this, posted on Facebook yesterday by a friend of mine from high school who has an 8-year-old, nonverbal child with severe autism:

    “Today Timmy was having a first class melt down in Barnes and Nobles and he rarely melts down like this. He was throwing his boots, rolling on the floor, screaming and sobbing. Everyone was staring as I tried to pick him up and [his brother Xander] scrambled to pick up his boots. I was worried people were looking at him and wondering if he would be a killer when he grows up because people on the news keep saying this Adam Lanza might have some spectrum diagnosis...My son is the kindest soul you could ever meet. Yesterday, a stranger looked at Timmy and said he could see in my son’s eyes and smile that he was a kind soul; I am thankful that he saw that”...

    (Priscilla Gilman is the author of “The Anti-Romantic Child: A Memoir of Unexpected Joy.”)

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    They just make things up to support their positions. You can't reason with stupid. The most distressing thing to me is that without fair representation in the media we are screwed. It's two against one. They don't really want to spend the time to solve this, they just want a quick fix. This country has lost the ability to have constructive conversations with differing views. It will ot change untill a lot of people wake up.

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    [QUOTE=Ala Tom;277144]One of the anchors on TV said there are no background checks on 40% of guns sold on Internet. I posted a note on Huffington post questioning that. I described how it works for most purchases where the gun is shipped to a licensed dealer who notifies the local sheriff for a background check and then sells you the gun across the counter so there is little difference between buying in a store and buying from an on-line source. Boy did the anti-gun crowd come after me. They called me a liar, a fraud and a few other things. Boy if that crowd ever gets their hands on guns, look out. They're a bunch of nasty rascals. There is a lot of mis-information out there and they don't want anyone to correct them!

    They just make things up to support their positions. You can't reason with stupid. The most distressing thing to me is that without fair representation in the media we are screwed. It's two against one. They don't really want to spend the time to solve this, they just want a quick fix. This country has lost the ability to have constructive conversations with differing views. It will ot change untill a lot of people wake up.

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    My wife was a teacher's aide in Va where we live. She said you can get into the office from the street, but you have to be let into the school... So how is it he can walk into a Conneticut school after this has happened so many times and get to those kids? Can't they build a secure school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigShooter599 View Post
    ...Can't they build a secure school?
    No, "they" can't.
    Nobody can.
    There's no such thing as a "secure" anything.

    Personal security—even the security of your kids in school—is your own responsibility, and nobody else's.
    The only way to be truly secure is to abdicate all responsibility to some authority, so that, when something bad happens, you can point to that authority and say, "It's all their fault."
    (And, by the way, that seems to be where this country is headed.)

    If you abdicate your responsibility to some authority, you will also be abdicating your liberty along with it. You will be relying upon someone else, to make you and your family "safe and secure." It will then be up to that authority to decide how much liberty should be allowed to you. After all, if you have too much liberty, you might pass beyond the reach of the securing authority.

    Liberty, and the freedom to exercise it, belongs only to the personally responsible.
    So don't ask, "Can't they build a secure school." Instead, volunteer to make your children's school more safe and secure. Lobby your legislators. Make demands upon your school board. Put in some personal security-guard time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    No, "they" can't.
    Nobody can.
    There's no such thing as a "secure" anything.
    ^ fantastic point. Security is an illusion. Live in the real world people.

    But my idea of a secure area is one with guns everywhere. Thats a polite society.

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    When I first heard of this, my thought was "don't they have security guards at schools" ... I wonder that every time. We know that a person with a gun can show up and do this, and we do nothing to stop it? When you know you might face a man with a gun, shouldn't it be obvious that what you need is a man with a gun on your side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine2501 View Post
    When I first heard of this, my thought was "don't they have security guards at schools"[?]...
    Who is this "they" of whom you write?

    Being emphatic, but entirely ungrammatical: You is the "they."

    If your local school needs a security guard, why not volunteer?

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    A security guard??? You gotta be kidding..


    We have secuirty guards around here, they do not carry weapons and are jokes.

    Now don't get me wrong Im not knocking these guys, inevitably i may have to go into that business to be considered for an LEO officier, but a security guard has never been the solution to any problem ever.

    Neither will I mention would having a police in every school be a valid option. They would be too concerned with red tape and ticketing people rather then defending children and the people who pay their pension.

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    So, OK, Jake, tell us what your suggestion is.

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    Those teachers, you know the ones that we trust our kids minds with? You could let them CCW, thats literally the only thing you would need to do. What if they don't want to CCW? Then the Principal should. I mean he's the discipline in the school? How come people don't trust each other anymore? Everybody believes the world is an evil and cruel place yet it is not. It is a place where we are all scarred of eachother! My generation feels more at home talking to people through glass (cells and computers) then talking in person. Where are we?

    We don't have to pay the government more money for extra police or useless security guards (like the TSA who end up molesting you).

    There were teachers in my high school that like it or not, I would have trusted to have a gun. Don't want an adult shooting a crazy teenage psychopath. Thats fine too, just let him watch innocent people die. It is our choice what happens to these people. But as I have said before, this is coming from a guy who went to a HS where literally one of our classmates went berserk, so what do I know about being a fish in a barrel...

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    So how does that differ from letting a responsible parent (or a cadre of parents) carry a concealed weapon and act as a volunteer security guard?
    Teacher, volunteering parent, principal—there isn't any functional difference.
    All the CCW adult needs is a sense of responsibility and some time commitment, including for training.

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    Security guard = no guns where Im from

    In other places Im sure they let them be armed but most places no. The reason? Its a liability problem. Theres a bigger problem here then just guards at schools. Its people everywhere need to step up and take responsibility

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    Teachers can carry concealed weapons in tiny Texas town
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/20...ny-texas-town/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Who is this "they" of whom you write?

    Being emphatic, but entirely ungrammatical: You is the "they."

    If your local school needs a security guard, why not volunteer?
    Well for one thing, I think the people guarding our kids should have combat experience, and unfortunately I was unable to serve. So, I don't think I would be effective in the type of situation that we know can happen. We used to have metal detectors and guards at schools around here, and I honestly don't remember if and when they stopped doing that, and I don't remember if those guys were armed or not.

    Edit: The news just said that the high schools and middle schools do have guards. Columbine really shook us up around here, as well as all the gangs in the 80s and 90s.

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    Elsewhere (maybe even on another forum?) someone pointed out that we have armed security guards in some banks and at some malls, but for some reason schools aren't seen to need them.

    I don't think that I'd need combat experience, to be an armed guard at a school. Maybe I'd need some extra training, particularly in preventing snatches and in unarmed combat, but that'd be all. The only operational training would be to learn to move toward the gunfire, and to make sure of what's behind your target before you fire a shot.
    From what we've seen, these shooters are mostly cowards, taking out their frustrations on what they believe to be people unable to fight back. When anyone confronts them from a position of strength, the next thing you hear is the "BANG!" of the shooter killing himself. The recent Portland, OR, mall shooting is a case in point.

    Maybe just being there, and being able to respond, would be enough of a deterrent.

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    Re: Another shooting?

    “Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?”

    ― Joseph Stalin

    Of course our public schools are already implementing the later part as seen by test scores here.

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