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    To help familiarize yourself with your new purchase this may help. Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    Yeah but attorneys never answer questions for free! lol
    Thats because they answer the questions................they don't just guess.

    The real answer for a price is way better then someone who thinks they are right cause... one time in Iowa a guy they Know asked a guy who sells pistols who's dad was a cop well not a real cop but a mall security guy , but he knew the law!

    Bad advice will eventually cost you way more then the real honest answer.

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    I don't plan on using my gun other than firing range guys, I'm just asking your guys knowledge, pretty simple. For some reason I'm getting the feeling that you guys think I'm some trigger happy fool, and I'm quite the opposite!

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    Then on your way to the range and then on your way back home, keep your gun in the case and your mags stored seperate. Do not have any bullets in your mags or your guns. Store said bullets in a seperate locked box away from your weapons. Then even if its over kill you are good. It doesn't take long to load your mags at the range. A little over caution is never a bad thing. No one thinks you are trigger happy fool!

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    Better be safe than sorry?! So could I have my mag and hand gun in the bag, locked away and my ammo sitting a foot from it? In my trunk?

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    No offense to anyone here, but the internet is hardly the place to obtain information that well may effect the rest of your life. I know, I know, if it's on the internet it must be true, but-----

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    It's so much easier where I live. Wallet in back pocket, keys, change, gun in holster on strong side (loaded), and off to the range. When I finish up and leave, gun is in holster on strong side fully loaded. Any extra handguns are in the range bag. Pretty simple.

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    I'm not going to live my life by it, just some simple advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    It's so much easier where I live. Wallet in back pocket, keys, change, gun in holster on strong side (loaded), and off to the range. When I finish up and leave, gun is in holster on strong side fully loaded. Any extra handguns are in the range bag. Pretty simple.
    So do you go shopping at Walmart with your weapon just chillin by your side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    So do you go shopping at Walmart with your weapon just chillin by your side?
    Yep. And a host of other places. This week included grocery shopping, several trips to Lowe's, Home Depot, Walmart, Kohl's, Barnes and Noble, Taco Bell, McDonald's, Target, Goodyear Tire and Auto, Costco, and BJ's and those are the ones that come to mind right away. Tomorrow my bank and perhaps a little more shopping.

    My carry rig looks professional, non-descript, and is pretty simple and unobtrusive. Certainly not threatening. It really is a no-brainer here and just doesn't create the kind of stuff so many people on these forums claim will happen. People scared and running from you, calls of MWAG (Man With A Gun), parents pulling their children close and exiting stores, hard stares, nasty comments, police harassment.... don't see any of this.

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    Sometimes I take living in Vermont too much for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wazmo View Post
    Sometimes I take living in Vermont too much for granted.
    Yeah, no permits required there for either mode of carry. But what about the general attitude of people going armed? Is it considered acceptable and pretty much normal or the opposite? I've never visited Vermont so I am clueless of how the people there view the carrying of firearms in public.

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    Asking when or when you can't use a firearm in self-defense, is like asking how do you fly a plane.

    You will be best served by researching this on your own and in your own area of residence.

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    Yah I think its a natural reaction if you need to use it, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    It just seems a bit pointless in CA ...
    Yup! Move to a state with better laws and better taxes.

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    It's not only the "Criminal Court" system you must be worried about living in the "Land of Butterflies, Rainbows, Unicorns, and Fairies", you will be sued "civilly" by the perpetrator (if he/she survives) or their heirs/relatives who are out to make a fast buck off their criminal gene bearing brethern.

    Most intelligent state legislatures have adopted protections holding homeowners "immune" from "civil liability" if they shoot, wounding or killing, a home intruder. Sadly my state, NJ as well as NY, Kommiefornia and others protect the criminals and their families by letting them sue the REAL victims of violent crime. How else are these money hungry enablers who profitted from the relatives "criminal enterprises" going to make up the losses when their relatives, ie. "street corner enterpreneurs" can no longer deal drugs, rob, burglarize, rape, and murder at will.

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    when i got my conceled handgun license. l was told to try and leave first. if you are leaving and they are coming after you and you have already told them you have a conceled handgun license. you tell them to stop if they dont then you use your gun. i was told to make it only a one person story and always say you was in fear of your life. we was told never to pull your gun unless you use it.
    is that better steve and yes you must be old lol.

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    I must be getting old. (Must be? No. I absolutely am old!)
    I had lots of trouble reading that last post.
    "u"? "chl"? No capital letters? I'm glad that there were at least periods!

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    Quote Originally Posted by faststang90 View Post
    when i got my conceled handgun license. l was told to try and leave first. if you are leaving and they are coming after you and you have already told them you have a conceled handgun license. you tell them to stop if they dont then you use your gun. i was told to make it only a one person story and always say you was in fear of your life. we was told never to pull your gun unless you use it.
    is that better steve and yes you must be old lol.
    Firstly, in which state do you reside?
    Secondly, who told you this?

    Based upon what you wrote here, you really do need some training in this area. My advice to you is to find and take a course, seminar, or lecture covering the legal aspects of the use of deadly force in your state. I have taken four such courses and still learn new things. Don't just rely on "what someone told me" information. Find out the facts that apply to you in your state or locale. Consult with an attorney who has experience in defending people who have had to use deadly force. Ask him your questions. Yes this can cost something but it could mean the difference between a horrible mistake or a justifiable/excusable homicide.

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    There are 2 battles in a Self Defense Shooting:

    The 1 on the street
    The 1 in the court

    You can win one but lose the other, knowing the law in your state... really knowing the law, can help you win both. Your life depends on both if your going to carry. You may win your life but lose your freedom without this knowledge.

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    The court battle is not easy. You might as well take that written law n wipe your
    Almost Anything can be disputed in court, wills,written contracts ,and Yes even the law. Of course it would be advisable to know your laws.
    BUT DON'T trust the law , just because it's written in black n white.
    You better have good judgement before you kill a man.

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    i live in texas. the chl teacher told us this.

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    Okay, so now that I know your state, here goes. First your post;

    "when i got my conceled handgun license. l was told to try and leave first. if you are leaving and they are coming after you and you have already told them you have a conceled handgun license. you tell them to stop if they dont then you use your gun. i was told to make it only a one person story and always say you was in fear of your life. we was told never to pull your gun unless you use it.
    is that better steve and yes you must be old lol."

    Texas is not a duty to retreat state so as long as you have a legal right to be where you are, you do not have to retreat in the face of imminent danger. What your instructor may have meant was that it is prudent to retreat if you can do so safely because by retreating, you may very well avoid a confrontation. Also, just because you're armed is no guarantee you are going to come out the winner... you could lose and in a gun fight that is know as a bad thing.

    I would never tell someone I have a concealed carry permit/license who is coming at me in a threatening manner because if they have not seen the gun and you do this, now they know you're armed and they might act differently. Yes, most likely they are going to cease their advance on you but again, there are no guarantees. They may pull a gun and shoot you whereas they may otherwise not have done this. It really should depend upon the nature of the imminent assault.

    As for when to use your firearm, I STRONGLY advise seeking valid and concrete information on this in your area. Don't simply rely on what someone told you or you have read on some webpage or forum. The general rule of thumb is if you are in imminent or immediate danger of serious bodily harm or worse. In my state it is, if you hold a good faith believe, based upon objective facts, that you are in imminent danger of serious bodily harm [or death], you may use deadly force. This can vary by states. The rest, you are going to have to find out for yourself.

    "i was told to make it only a one person story..."
    This implies that you have the intent to kill your attacker, not just stop him. NEVER adhere to this and especially NEVER tell the police or an attorney this. Your thrust is to stop the attack. Whether or not the BG dies is not a concern.

    "and always say you was in fear of your life"
    Say virtually nothing to the police and consult with an attorney. And NEVER lie. When you lie, you WILL forget what you told people. Again, get training in the legal use of deadly force in your state.

    "we was told never to pull your gun unless you use it."
    I would clean this up a little to read, "We were told to never pull a gun unless we were prepared to use it." Your text implies that you are going to shoot, regardless of what happens when you pull your firearm. Suppose you do pull and the BG stops and either freezes or takes off running away. Now the thread has ended so you do not have any justification to open fire. However if you do pull it, you should be prepared to use it if needed.

    Hope this helps and please do get some training on the legal aspects of the use of deadly force in your state.

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    These instructors are making a pay check, citing state law.
    They are not to be relied upon when educating the class on the use of deadly force.

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    All reputable CCW/CPL classes will use an attorney or LEO to teach the legal portion regarding Deadly Force. This does not always mean they are well versed and knowledgeable on the subject. Every gun owner should take it upon themselves to gain information in their state or others if you intend to carry there.

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