An additional safety couldn't hurt.
How does your wife feel about the whole gun thing?
I'm about ready to purchase a new gun, first time buyer. I'm really impressed with the glock but I don't like that it doesnt have a thumb safety or decocker. Is this necessary for a first time gun owner?
I did take the 4 hour course and now hand gun safety, do you think I should get a gun with another safety and decocker if I'm not going to be using it as a concealed weapon? Its mainly for range use and to have it at home for safety (a big disaster happens, etc).
I don't have any kids, I'm 33 y/o and married.
I'm currently shopping the g19, and g17. Beretta and S&W have caught my attention a bit as well.
Thanks in advance.
I have the M&P .40 The ergonomics are great, fits well (especially w/ choice of three grips) shoots excellent and is super reliable. I am a huge S&W fan to begin with, especially with all the new work they have done! Can't go wrong.
Just my personal opinion, I prefer a thumb/decocker safety. The reason for me is I have more experience with revolvers than semi autos and I feel more comfortable with additional safety. That being said, I own 3 without additional safety/decockers and I love to shoot them at the range and are quality guns. I have a few with decocker/safetys and I will carry one for ccw at times. I believe that being inexperienced and new to firearms, you need all the safety precautions you can get. Once a gun goes bang, you can`t put the bullet back in the barrel and saying I`m sorry doesn`t quite cut it with guns. My EDC is a SP101 .357 wheel gun and I feel very safe with it.
the glock is like a revolver - neither have locks - just pull the trigger
the Glock has 3 internal safeties that prohibit the gun going off unless the trigger is intentionally pulled
A Glock is nothing like a revolver unless the revolver is DA only and has a short 5.5 pound trigger. Most revolvers have between an 8 to 12 pound trigger in DA, coupled with a longer trigger pull and a much longer reset. Many revolvers likewise are DA/SA. Any trigger w/a somewhat short 5.5 pound pull is much less forgiving than a much longer 8 to 12 pound trigger in my opinion. I have no problem dropping my S&W 637 in a pocket w/o a holster, but a Glock 26 I'd never dream of it.
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My wife is okay with it now with everything going on in the world these days (including huge disaster, election, world in turmoil, etc). She's not ecstatic about it, but she says its my choice. She's from Europe and guns are highly revered over in those neck of the woods.
A question regarding non-glock guns, to put one in the chamber what do you have to do? rack it, take off the thumb safety, then pull back the trigger? after you shoot one, the trigger goes back and ready to fire. for some reason you want to decock the gun, use the decocker? i know this might sound simple but most of my experience has to deal with glocks.
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So with a Beretta, lets say you put in the mag, what do you have to do to fire a shot?
Last edited by denner; 12-05-2012 at 06:20 PM.
Thanks for clarifying! For for the first DA, how many LBS of pressure do you need the 15lbs? like a revolver?
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Lets say you have one in the chamber on a beretta, to unload, do you drop the mag and rack it? like a glock?
I learned on a glock what can i say!
You simply cannot go wrong buying a Beretta 92FS.
It has a safety and a de-cocker.
Didn't you post this exact same thread yesterday and receive ample opinions??
The best safety available is a well informed operator.
"Even with good training, people forget." "And guns are not forgiving."
Last edited by denner; 12-05-2012 at 10:52 PM.
I just posted this in your other thread:
"It depends on your comfort zone,and the Glock/safety issue is a catch 22.
Safety has to be ingrained in that finger to run a Glock,remember that quite a few Glock NDs are when cleaning-a round is missed in the chamber and the trigger has to be pulled for takedown,oops that hurt.You'd be surprised how many people have brainfade and rack the slide before dropping the mag.
On the other side,you have to have the act of taking off the safety ingrained just like the trigger finger.I've carried and shot a shtload of rounds through 1911s for a long time,I have never missed the safety or had it cost me a hundredth of a second on the clock,contrary to the naysayer's opinions.
What you need to do is figure out which you're going to be cool with.If that finger can be contained go "safe action" striker fired,if you think you need to play it safe go with an easily manipulated safety to help ingrain the basics so the safety rules are subconsciencely covered.
In Glock vs 1911 debates I give this example:
A Glock fires by pulling the trigger through a kind of short pull that can break at under 5lbs up,boom.
A 1911 fires by gripping to deactivate the grip safety so the trigger can move and take the thumb safety off.While the pull is shorter,a nasty GI trigger can have a lot of creep and stack at 7lbs easily,boom.
Is there really much difference between the 2, that a 1911 carried with the safety off and a Glock, are operating so close to the same that it isn't really different?With both in that state of readiness,I can make the Glock go off and the 1911 can't.
Pick what's in you comfort zone,proficiency takes time and practice."
From reading this one,go with a safety for now and familiarize yourself more with the differences between operating principles.All autos you will either rack the slide or drop it from locked open after inserting a mag.At that point things change.On a Glock type gun you don't touch the trigger until you need to hear a bang,decock to be basically like a revolver,or put the safety on to block the hammer from falling until taken off.
I have a Beretta 92 and love it,but I don't prefer the slide mounted safeties because it's an unnatural move for me to take it off.I can and don't have a problem with it but it's odd for me.I prefer frame mounted safeties/decockers,it's a more natural act to operate them.Your choice though.
i think the da/sa might be safer in a certain way, but another catch .22. by the time you rack that first round, take the safety off, might be too late if a predator is upon you, right?
Revolvers don't have a safety as you're thinking,they have a block or transfer bar to connect the hammer and firing pin when the trigger is pulled,like a firing pin safety in an auto (semi-auto pistol).When you shut the cylender on a DA revolver just pull the trigger and it will fire,similar to Glocks and the like.Or you can cock the hammer SA.
Also no,on DA/SA autos There's a decock lever,and when you hit it after chambering a round it safely drops the hammer without hitting the firing pin.Some levers will rebound back so all you do is pull the trigger,like Sig and HK.Others like Beretta and that slide style decocker can stay in the decock position acting as a safety.You can leave it there and have a dead trigger that would be beneficial if someone grabbed the gun,but...... On this style safety I decock and flip the lever back where it was,pull the trigger any time you like and it goes off just like a revolver or Glock type pistol.