Magazines, cleaning accessories, maybe some 1911 specific tools pending on what make/model you get.
Originally Posted by Golden
If you want to start beefing up on 1911 terminology, and some basic info, start reading here:
Guns, Guns, & More Gosh Darn Guns: 1911 Buyer's Reference Guide - Revised 2012-06-16
In terms of Kimber, while they've had a rough past, they seem to be doing much better these days. You could do worse, but you can also do better, but it will cost more.
While I've had issues with them the past, a colleague I trust has had several Kimbers over the last year or so and has not had any sues other than a point of aim / point of impact issue. While I typically don't run out and recommend a Kimber to those looking for a 1911, I'm not as die-hard about steering people away from them as I once was.
That being said, if I were to buy a Kimber (I've had four in the past) it would be a Super Carry Pro HD.
In terms of size vs. concealment, the hardest thing to hide on the gun is typically the grip, the Pro has the same size grip as the 5" guns so you're really not gaining anything in terms of concealablity with the Pro...that is unless you plan on carrying in a horizontal shoulder holster.
The 4" guns with the round-butt or Ed Brown Bobtail are the most well rounded 1911s for carry/range etc.
I just purchased a Kimber Super Carry Pro HD in .45Cal. Ihave not been able to shoot it yet so on Friday I am planning on putting 500 round through it. From what I have read and have been told by other Kimberowners the normal break in period is about 500 rounds. They also recommendedthat this break in be done in one range visit because the hotter the gun getsthe better it will function after the 500 rounds. I was also told to purchase Springfield Armary Magazines for the Kimber they are said to work the best in the gun even better than the Kimber Magazines.
Originally Posted by FloridaGuy
It pains me greatly to see you buying into the gun break-in theory.
But, I do wish you the best in your endeavors.
When it comes to the part about swinging a dead chicken over your head during the break-in process, use a frozen one. It's a lot less messy.
Sorry.....couldn't help myself.
Kimber's have had somewhat of a checkered past but do seem to be improving.
A full size 1911 can be concealed quite easily but like any other full size gun you cannot skimp on equipment. 1911's are big and heavy so a quality holster and belt are needed to support the weight of the gun. When home I often carry my SA TRP in a Raven holster with a Wilderness Tactical belt with no problems.
It seems that the more you get away from the original design of the gun, shorter barrels, the more issues there are with the gun. I only one one subcompact 1911 and it is in 9mm and has no issues.
I expect a firearm to function as intended out of the box. I do understand that different guns like different ammo, mags and so on but to having to shoot 500 rounds to break in a gun to me is not really acceptable.
The Commander size guns are a bit easier to conceal and you are not really losing anything with the shorter barrel. Good luck in your search.
For "Fred" to be pained, because "Joe" sees fit to "break-in" a firearm, is silly. Fred didn't spend any money on it, lost time over it, waste ammo doing it, or anything along those lines. If Fred gets pained, it's because Fred has an issue with someone doing something that Fred doesn't support. Many products end up performing better when they're broken in..... motor vehicles, shoes, guns, mower engines, hell... even floor mops have break-in suggestions.... New York City Industries for the Blind - Mops
I have never experienced any issues because I didn't break in a gun, but I have broken in many very expensive barrels, and experienced excellent performance afterward.
I have several Kreiger Barrels, and I adhere to their suggestions. Kreiger recommends break-in as much for future cleaning, as for performance. Break-In & Cleaning
Some may need to consider 200 mg of Ibuprofin 3X a day for two days for pain. Apologies.
I agree with those doing the Kimber "bashing".Having said that,if they work out of the box you got a good one.The first generation is sought after because they were good guns,then they got an ego and went down hill.They have quite a few quirks to them and their customer service is good,but they are so proud of their product that they give a whole year warranty compared to a lifetime.Hmmm.
Look at Springfiel Armory,they've come a long way since they started making them.I find the Commander size (4.25") the nicest balance,when you get down in the Officers size (3") the design limits are being pushed and they can be finicky.They also are a little "violent" in the recoil and handling department.
Gun shows are iffy,know what you're looking at before going in.I have 2 uses for shows,the first is getting my hands on something hard to find to see if I like it.The second is to show up on opening day when the doors are open to find the deals that will be gone by the end of the day.Otherwise,I avoid them like the plague.Too many idiots in one place for me.
There is nothing special about Kimbers. They are a decent pistol with a sub par warranty (1 year) and a reputation for spotty customer service. If you want one, great, just go in with your eyes open. I'm not a fan, but those people I know who own them are happy.
Colt LW Commander or Springfield Loaded (LW) Champion seem like good options as well.
Oh & don't forget the S&W E-series (SW1911SC, Round butt scandium frame,) a hell of a lot of concealable 1911 goodness for a decent price.
FWIW, I carry a Dan Wesson CCO. A bit small as a range gun, but doable if one is so inclined. Also, the DW Guardian/V-Bob might be worth a look as well, if your budget will support it.
I suspect that the Commander (full sized frame with 4.5" barrel, 4" on the SA Champions.) size will do the best as a dual role pistol.
It's a big world with a lot of options, Kimber is one of many.
Ibuprofen and Aleve are both NSAIDS class drugs, and perform about the same.
But if you think there's a difference, there probably is.
Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving.
It's like when you purchase a new automobile....they tell you that there is a 500 mile breakin period....this is just to seat the brakes properly, everything else should be good to go..........any firearm that needs a so called breakin period, is one that I do not care to own.......never had an issue with any firearm, or a need for a breakin period....take the money you are going to spend on this overpriced gem, and buy yourself two handguns.....you'll get more enjoyment.
I've purchased a new house or two in my lifetime. Never did anything special to break-um in.
Both had lawns, so I bought a new mower. Fired that sucker up and went to town (figure of speech) cutting grass.
But, I will give in a little when it comes to new footwear and gloves. Sometimes, it takes a while for them to feel right, and other times, they're good to go from purchase.
And....I've bought brand-new vehicles from time to time. About the only thing I observed was the speed limit. Never had any mechanical issues.
New handguns and/or long guns? Just shoot the stupid things, have fun and most of all, BE SAFE!
Originally Posted by usmcj
Touch'e......and yes I did.
I have a Pro Raptor with over 1500 rounds through it and have not had any issues with it. I say go for it if you want a Kim .45 as your first gun.
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