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    Quote Originally Posted by SMann View Post
    If home defense only is your intention, I personally do not recommend a handgun. Get a short barrel, collapsible stock 12 guage shotgun.
    Bingo, we have a winner! If it's for home defense only. A good 20 ga. is sufficient also in a home environment and still has plenty of firepower at those ranges.

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    I disagree with a shotgun for home defense.......unless you are one that is very skilled in the use.

    Beings that it (shotgun) is much longer than a handgun, it makes it much more cumbersome, even one w/o a stock, and only a pistol grip. A shotgun is also harder to secure close-by your bedside than a handgun is. And, if you must move from room to room inside your house (for whatever reason) it means that the muzzle will arrive before you do.

    If you have a physical confrontation with an intruder, the shotgun will make it much easier for the bad guy to grab or take hold of.

    I'm not saying that a shotgun is the worst thing to have in your house for self-defense, but rather, it's one that will be harder to keep close-by your bed (and out of sight) and harder to manage while you're trying to clear your house, if you think you hear something go bump in the dark of the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paratrooper View Post
    I disagree with a shotgun for home defense.......unless you are one that is very skilled in the use.

    Beings that it (shotgun) is much longer than a handgun, it makes it much more cumbersome, even one w/o a stock, and only a grip. A shotgun is also harder to secure close-by your bedside than a handgun is. And, if you must move from room to room inside your house (for whatever reason) it means that the muzzle will arrive before you do.

    If you have a physical confrontation with an intruder, the shotgun will make it much easier for the bad guy to grab or take hold of.

    I'm not saying that a shotgun is the worst thing to have in your house for self-defense, but rather, it's one that will be harder to keep close-by your bed (and out of sight) and harder to manage while you're trying to clear your house, if you think you hear something go bump in the dark of the night.


    DUDE paratrooper, cosign on that... You have brought up something that I have thought to myself time and time again. Shotguns while like the #1 recommended gun for HD, seem to me not the best home defense for the reasons you give. But also unless your shooting a single slug shot, you are going to have a wide spread of shot which if your loved ones are near or around your going to want to think twice about shooting. Especially if a bad guy would human shield someone you love, it would be impossible to take them out with a shotgun.

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    I forgot to mention, that it requires two hands to operate a shotgun. No way to shoot one accurately with only one hand on it. If you DO get into a physical confrontation with an intruder, you're going to need at least one free hand to defend yourself with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    DUDE paratrooper, cosign on that... You have brought up something that I have thought to myself time and time again. Shotguns while like the #1 recommended gun for HD, seem to me not the best home defense for the reasons you give. But also unless your shooting a single slug shot, you are going to have a wide spread of shot which if your loved ones are near or around your going to want to think twice about shooting. Especially if a bad guy would human shield someone you love, it would be impossible to take them out with a shotgun.

    +1 to some things you brought up. And.....bad guys don't always break into a home in the middle of the night, while you and yours, are fast asleep.

    Many cities are having issues with home invasions during all hours of the day. Pretty hard to stash a shot gun somewhere that's out of sight, yet easy to access. Hand guns can be kept (concealed) most anywhere through out a home.

    And.....remember the ole saying about a bad guy hearing you rack a shot gun? Well....in most cases, it only tells him that you're armed and gives him a good idea as to where the noise came from.

    Me? I want the quietest, most easily handled firearm I can get. I want it close-by to my bed and easy to get to. And, for the record, my bedside guns are always loaded with one in the chamber.

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    So you are saying it's easier to master a handgun than a long gun? And that people who are in the business of clearing buildings for a living that generally prefer long guns should really be using pistols? Also the spread of a shotgun at close ranges (inside a house) is not as wide as you are probably thinking. OP stated he is new to guns and lives alone. Your arguments against a shotgun for his situation are in my opinion slightly ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMann View Post
    So you are saying it's easier to master a handgun than a long gun? And that people who are in the business of clearing buildings for a living that generally prefer long guns should really be using pistols? Also the spread of a shotgun at close ranges (inside a house) is not as wide as you are probably thinking. OP stated he is new to guns and lives alone. Your arguments against a shotgun for his situation are in my opinion slightly ridiculous.

    Opinions are like feet. We all have um, and they all stink to some degree or another.

    I was both military and LE, with vast experience in both.

    I stand-by my opinion, if you were infact, replying to me.

    BTW.....You want to know the real reason why most cops use a shotgun to clear a house or building?

    It's because they can't do it with a handgun. They don't feel confident enough. No chit!

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    Well, that settles that! I'm gonna' have to get rid of all my guns 'cause they won't work for home protection........................and get a dog!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    Well, that settles that! I'm gonna' have to get rid of all my guns 'cause they won't work for home protection........................and get a dog!

    Wait for a buy-back program to show up in your area.

    I've heard that you can get as much as $25.00 per firearm.

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    Well, guys, we seem to have frightened the OP away.
    Maybe it'd've been better to hold the discussion for a while, and to wait until he responded to the first couple of ideas.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Well, guys, we seem to have frightened the OP away.
    Maybe it'd've been better to hold the discussion for a while, and to wait until he responded to the first couple of ideas.

    Just a thought.

    Ideas and opinions are like firearms.

    Ya just can't seem to have too many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonp82 View Post
    Hi everyone. I’ll be honest - I’m very new to the world of guns – in fact, I’ve never shot anything except a BB gun. I am not looking to kill anyone, but I recently bought a house (single, living alone) and there has been a great deal of crime in my neighborhood recently. I plan on adding an alarm system within a month, but I’m wondering about my options as far as protection.

    I sure hope I would never have to use a gun, but just in case. Obviously I would be willing to practice with it and be comfortable with it, but I don’t really have time to take any kind of class (college + work). I’d like to get something and just get comfortable with it in my own time. I was hoping not to spend a TON of money, either, though I have no idea what to expect. I’ve read some of the other topics on here, and went through some of the recommendations, but didn’t know if there was anything specific anyone might recommend. Any thoughts?
    The Alarm system is a good start. A dog would be a nice addition to the alarm. That being said, a weapon in the home will help as well. You say you do not have the time to take a class. You can find classes that only take 4 hours. It will help you with the basics, which you DO need. You have the god given right to defend yourself anyway you see fit, just be careful and try to get it done the right way...


    Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1
    Well, guys, we seem to have frightened the OP away.
    Maybe it'd've been better to hold the discussion for a while, and to wait until he responded to the first couple of ideas.

    Just a thought.
    He asked for opinions, and is getting some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paratrooper View Post
    BTW.....You want to know the real reason why most cops use a shotgun to clear a house or building?

    It's because they can't do it with a handgun. They don't feel confident enough. No chit!
    Yet you recommend a person new to guns use a pistol? Your own argument works against you. Even highly trained military personnel with plenty of real experience don't use pistols for building clearing. I was military for many years as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    Welcome to the forum! Buying a gun is kinda' like buying a car. Would you let somebody recommend a cheap car for you? Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Honda, etc. You need to make time to try out some different guns just like you would make time to go at least check out a vehicle. If you hadn't driven a car before, would you just go buy one and "practice" when you got time? Not trying to be rude, just sayin' a lot of people with no gun experience think it's no big deal but you can save a lot of money by taking a class, renting some guns, and doing a little research before buying. If you are really a non shooter, you really need to get some instruction. Nothing wrong with asking for advice on a gun forum but don't depend on the internet to teach you what to buy and how to shoot. Just my two bits.

    Edit to add: First gun............get a Glock 19 or 17. Relatively inexpensive, shoots everytime you pull the trigger, and once you get familiar with shooting and want to buy someting else, you can always sell your Glock.

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    Get a Glock first, then, once you know what your doing, you can sell it........

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    Getting the proper mindset first is paramount. If you aren't ready, willing and able to kill someone, don't have a gun. If you do, it will most likely be taken from you and used on you. I prefer pistols over shotguns, but that's what I know best. I don't like shoties, but there are those that feel most comfortable with them. Use what you feel most comfortable with. Whatever you have at hand can be made to work, YOU are the most valuable and deadly tool. Training is an absolute must and not just training with the gun, but training on the laws in your area. You may win the gunfight, but end up in prison for a very long time if you screw things up. Remember, holes if front are good, holes in back are not. If you decide to get a gun you MUST practice, practice, practice. The gun should be second nature to you and everything about it should be muscle memory. A lot to chew on and a ton of responsibility goes with owning a firearm. Good luck, ask questions hope to see you around the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMann View Post
    Yet you recommend a person new to guns use a pistol? Your own argument works against you. Even highly trained military personnel with plenty of real experience don't use pistols for building clearing. I was military for many years as well.

    Just because a person is new to firearms, doesn't mean they shouldn't start out with a handgun.

    They're going to have to know how to use one sooner or later. Handguns can be less intimidating than a shotgun, and much more practical.

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    Which brings us back full circle....should a newbie that doesn't want to get any training, get a Glock.....hell no.
    Quote Originally Posted by paratrooper View Post
    Just because a person is new to firearms, doesn't mean they shouldn't start out with a handgun.

    They're going to have to know how to use one sooner or later. Handguns can be less intimidating than a shotgun, and much more practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettabone View Post
    Which brings us back full circle....should a newbie that doesn't want to get any training, get a Glock.....hell no.

    I must have missed the part about him not wanting any training.

    And no, a Glock wouldn't be a good gun to learn on. Not saying that it can't be done, but there's far too many other user friendly guns to consider.

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    ...Doesn't matter. The newbie who asked the question is long gone.

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