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    First gun buy, and my intentions. Questions..

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    I think I know more about the gun shooting and tactical part than any of you will ever know.

    Well then, I will bow out of this thread.

    Frankly, with all your years of expertise, tactical knowledge, and shooting people, I'm shocked that you even had to come here and ask us advise. At the least, I would think your brother, "the SEAL", would know the answers to your questions as to when you can shoot people legally.

    I'll be anxiously awaiting more threads from you imparting your vast knowledge on all of us poor inexperienced souls.

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    I didn't say you were poorly educated. And yes I know a lot about HOW to shoot guns. Do I need to learn more about the laws regarding discharging and concealing a handgun in Florida? Yes. And that is precisely why I am on here. Unfourtnently my brother doesn't live here anymore and is currently in sipan. I'm not here to be a smart a$$ and I don't want to be treated like one. I simply wanted some honest answers to situations I could be put in an if I could react legally to those situations.

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    You did better than I thought from reading previous posts.Todd is 100% right on 2 levels.1st is you will be crucified in court,you were not in fear of your life because you purposely only wounded him,and that's no fight ender.Second,you probably will miss,I don't care how good you are.I shoot under simulated stress,it isn't the same as a real life and death addrenalin dump.If you've never been there you don't know and this is nothing like what your brother does in the military,whole different world.

    This is the way it should play out basically.When he gets out the windows go up and the doors lock,or the window is cracked for voice if you record it on a phone.Leaving and turning depends if you left an escape route,whether it's backing up or going to either side,the right lane isn't always available,and alot of people never leave themselves room and get boxed in.If you're stuck there,I'd be telling him I'm sorry (for ?) and I don't want trouble but I'd have my piece in hand by now.If he had a brain he'd notice I wasn't moving as normal sheeple do.Most are blowhards and back off but some aren't bright.When he's to my car he gets warned the last time of my intentions,if he smacks my hood and leaves it's a win.From there on it's on him,if his hands enter my vehicle I will shoot him,he knows my intentions and willfully entered meaning to do harm.Same as a house,if you enter uninvited the State presumes they intend to comit a crime,you are in your rights to defend yourself.Many a numbnut has learned that here already.

    Now,Stand Your Ground is not carte blanche.There is no retreat needed,but there can be a fine line between avoiding a conflict and escalating it.If you got out of your car above,you're at fault.

    When you strap on a gun remember this:You aren't Superman,James Bond or a cop,you are now the proverbial Wuss.Avoidance should be first concern any time,but if you find there's no way around it you do everything possible to difuse it.Alot of problems are curbed just by reaching or putting your hand on the gun whether they can see it or not, I'll be bladed to them stepping away.When they are too close for me the gun comes out.The 21ft rule is real,and short.

    Slow down,you have the basis but the mindset and attitude is all wrong,forget anything military for now.Go to the site I said and go to sub-forum for scenarios (I can't remember what it's called exactly),they may help you see what we're saying.This all doesn't just go for firearms,it applies to defense if all you have is your hands,and they can be quite deadly if need be.It's a learning process that takes time,getting overzelous can land you in jail or the morgue.

    Hope this came out right,I'm 1/2 asleep but can't go down.

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    This was a very good answer and what I was looking for the whole time, thank you. Also one more scenario, what if I am approached by someone who isn't threatening me butvsoon becomes hostile and violent? If I draw my gun to him and tell him to back off and he keeps coming would that give me the rite to shoot him? Say he's much bigger than me and can clearly over power me an take my weapon but he is completely in armed? I dont see any other option other than to shoot that person. That wool be the worst situation; to get your firearm taken and use against you.

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    ...So, the question becomes: What might you have done, to make him become violent?
    Normal people don't approach you peacefully, and then, unprovoked, become instantaneously violent.
    And crazy people don't normally approach in a completely peaceful manner.

    In the case of a premeditated attack, for instance a robbery attempt, it's pretty clear to the watchful person, well in advance, what exactly is happening. Yes, the attacker may approach while seeming peaceful, but his dress, manner, and mode of approach, and the fact that you've seen his buddy circle around to get behind you, are pretty positive tip-offs.
    So a big part of wearing a gun remains fight prediction and avoidance. Particularly avoidance.
    And I wouldn't actually bring my pistol into view until things got really, really obvious. I might take a prepare-to-shoot stance, and grip my weapon in preparation for presentation, all of which would act as a strong warning and deterrent to any serious criminal. But I wouldn't actually present it until there was a proven need to shoot.
    And then the shot(s) would come quickly and accurately, and the outcome would be final and definite.
    But I still would be well aware that, sooner or later, I would have to clearly articulate to a jury exactly what my fear was, and why I absolutely had to shoot someone to end the attack.

    If you do something which provokes his violence, you are the criminal, not him.

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    Gee, it's pretty obvious, that the training he needs, is between his ears.....since he's a weapons expert........I guess that means, that since my father was a SG in the Army, and I got to shoot his M1 Garand, that makes me an expert too..............and I guess, since my wife taught someone, who is now a Navy Seal, and I shook his hand, that makes me an expert also.............it's a proven fact, that a 20 yr. old brain hasn't quite matured to full capacity, especially in that frontal lobe area, which helps make good and bad decisions. The reason I mentioned race, politics, etc., is because I am glad that your not LE in my town. Walking around with a firearm, pissed off at every minority or social problem recipient makes for trouble. And the more I read, I get the feeling that someone is sitting around dreaming of every scenario possible, which we know is impossible. Plus, a little brother worship, with Rambo mixed in. He's gotten answers, and truth, and he doesn't like it.......expert boy is gonna get dead.
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    I just spoke the truth.Don't care what race,religion or political view they were,if those events happened as said you know as well as I do the type of person doing it and a likely outcome.Could be different but not with the info provided.I'm not the only one that feels the same as the last sentance,alot of this country feel the same way about their money being pissed down the drain on BS.

    I know how this stuff works,I've carried for a long time and in LE for close to a decade.You use all sorts of tools in life,you have to know how to use them,which ones to use,and how to use them properly.I know the answer to the question I asked him,I want to hear how he would handle it to see where he's at.There's different kinds of training,what area he needs is to be determined upon his return-if he does.

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    I do believe you missed the underlying jist here,I never undermined anyone's civil or legal rights like present rookies( at least here with the Staties).I'm not a puss and spit it out as it is,sorry if you're afraid or I misconstrued that post.It is what it is,and this country was founded by this train of thought that said F you and this is the way it will be like or see ya.Guess who won then.Unfortunately this political BS is an underlying fight we're in.Carry is gaining ground throughout the country because real people are tired of the shit,it isn't the police or government's job to provide our safety,proven in court,you're on your own and the shitholes are making you a subserviant subject that the propaganda suckers buy and keep buying into this crap because they're too stupid to think for themselves or knbow what the term responsibility means.C'mon,a grand a week on welfare because you've figured out spreading the legs and dropping out another kid will get you 22s and tires on your new Caddy?Oh,need this too for social status.PLEEEZE!!!!

    Tell ya what.if I dissappear the Secret Serviced tagged my ass,you may be right.Doubt it,the 1ST still stands unless the socialist gets reelected and really implements the "below the radar" crap.Hope you're not religious because God is sitting back giggling his ass off that we of all people can't remember what freedom is about and what it took to get what we're going to lose.40 years ago I looked at my Grandmother with bewilderment when my Grandfather (ex vet) said we'll be Russia and vice-versa,hmm.Does that mean I need to sell my guns,see a shrink,get signed paperwork,then steal a gun and go on a shooting spree.Sorry man,that's F'd up compared to the previous conversation.I understand if you won't admit to the crap publically,but if you don't agree at all you are not American.Our Founding Fathers had balls,now everyone worries if they're sitting in boxers or briefs,and if you're running commando you're a queer.I want a detail with Kirk,.O"hurrah is hot and I could learn something from Spock.

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    BB or anyone else,sorry if I offended you but I take nothing back.Long,bad day,neede a few beers to chill,it spills out as I see it.

    PS.They won't sign the papers,really.I think they just want my money?

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    C'mon: Gimme the keys from your keyboard.

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    WOW...........All I can say, is that you didn't offend me, but I stick to my statements(minus alcohol).....if it makes you feel any better, I won't be voting for our current leader........get some sleep.
    Quote Originally Posted by rex View Post
    I do believe you missed the underlying jist here,I never undermined anyone's civil or legal rights like present rookies( at least here with the Staties).I'm not a puss and spit it out as it is,sorry if you're afraid or I misconstrued that post.It is what it is,and this country was founded by this train of thought that said F you and this is the way it will be like or see ya.Guess who won then.Unfortunately this political BS is an underlying fight we're in.Carry is gaining ground throughout the country because real people are tired of the shit,it isn't the police or government's job to provide our safety,proven in court,you're on your own and the shitholes are making you a subserviant subject that the propaganda suckers buy and keep buying into this crap because they're too stupid to think for themselves or knbow what the term responsibility means.C'mon,a grand a week on welfare because you've figured out spreading the legs and dropping out another kid will get you 22s and tires on your new Caddy?Oh,need this too for social status.PLEEEZE!!!!

    Tell ya what.if I dissappear the Secret Serviced tagged my ass,you may be right.Doubt it,the 1ST still stands unless the socialist gets reelected and really implements the "below the radar" crap.Hope you're not religious because God is sitting back giggling his ass off that we of all people can't remember what freedom is about and what it took to get what we're going to lose.40 years ago I looked at my Grandmother with bewilderment when my Grandfather (ex vet) said we'll be Russia and vice-versa,hmm.Does that mean I need to sell my guns,see a shrink,get signed paperwork,then steal a gun and go on a shooting spree.Sorry man,that's F'd up compared to the previous conversation.I understand if you won't admit to the crap publically,but if you don't agree at all you are not American.Our Founding Fathers had balls,now everyone worries if they're sitting in boxers or briefs,and if you're running commando you're a queer.I want a detail with Kirk,.O"hurrah is hot and I could learn something from Spock.

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    Wow,that was out there,I had a larger buzz than I thought.Hope the OP learns what's going on,alot of people don't investigate these laws to find out exactly what they mean and how it applies in different situations.Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rex View Post
    Hope the OP learns what's going on.
    I'm going to say he won't, until it's the hard way and someone is injured or dead. I have a feeling that, like a lot of people who get answers they do not like, instead of reassessing his way of thinking, he will just keep searching until he finds a place that agrees with his ideas of "self defense" and tells him it's OK to suppress ignorant fools with hollow points and shoot people with rat shot to scare them. Remember, he knows more about shooting and tactics than we will ever know.

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