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    ...So, the question becomes: What might you have done, to make him become violent?
    Normal people don't approach you peacefully, and then, unprovoked, become instantaneously violent.
    And crazy people don't normally approach in a completely peaceful manner.

    In the case of a premeditated attack, for instance a robbery attempt, it's pretty clear to the watchful person, well in advance, what exactly is happening. Yes, the attacker may approach while seeming peaceful, but his dress, manner, and mode of approach, and the fact that you've seen his buddy circle around to get behind you, are pretty positive tip-offs.
    So a big part of wearing a gun remains fight prediction and avoidance. Particularly avoidance.
    And I wouldn't actually bring my pistol into view until things got really, really obvious. I might take a prepare-to-shoot stance, and grip my weapon in preparation for presentation, all of which would act as a strong warning and deterrent to any serious criminal. But I wouldn't actually present it until there was a proven need to shoot.
    And then the shot(s) would come quickly and accurately, and the outcome would be final and definite.
    But I still would be well aware that, sooner or later, I would have to clearly articulate to a jury exactly what my fear was, and why I absolutely had to shoot someone to end the attack.

    If you do something which provokes his violence, you are the criminal, not him.

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    Gee, it's pretty obvious, that the training he needs, is between his ears.....since he's a weapons expert........I guess that means, that since my father was a SG in the Army, and I got to shoot his M1 Garand, that makes me an expert too..............and I guess, since my wife taught someone, who is now a Navy Seal, and I shook his hand, that makes me an expert also.............it's a proven fact, that a 20 yr. old brain hasn't quite matured to full capacity, especially in that frontal lobe area, which helps make good and bad decisions. The reason I mentioned race, politics, etc., is because I am glad that your not LE in my town. Walking around with a firearm, pissed off at every minority or social problem recipient makes for trouble. And the more I read, I get the feeling that someone is sitting around dreaming of every scenario possible, which we know is impossible. Plus, a little brother worship, with Rambo mixed in. He's gotten answers, and truth, and he doesn't like it.......expert boy is gonna get dead.
    Quote Originally Posted by rex View Post
    I just spoke the truth.Don't care what race,religion or political view they were,if those events happened as said you know as well as I do the type of person doing it and a likely outcome.Could be different but not with the info provided.I'm not the only one that feels the same as the last sentance,alot of this country feel the same way about their money being pissed down the drain on BS.

    I know how this stuff works,I've carried for a long time and in LE for close to a decade.You use all sorts of tools in life,you have to know how to use them,which ones to use,and how to use them properly.I know the answer to the question I asked him,I want to hear how he would handle it to see where he's at.There's different kinds of training,what area he needs is to be determined upon his return-if he does.

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    I do believe you missed the underlying jist here,I never undermined anyone's civil or legal rights like present rookies( at least here with the Staties).I'm not a puss and spit it out as it is,sorry if you're afraid or I misconstrued that post.It is what it is,and this country was founded by this train of thought that said F you and this is the way it will be like or see ya.Guess who won then.Unfortunately this political BS is an underlying fight we're in.Carry is gaining ground throughout the country because real people are tired of the shit,it isn't the police or government's job to provide our safety,proven in court,you're on your own and the shitholes are making you a subserviant subject that the propaganda suckers buy and keep buying into this crap because they're too stupid to think for themselves or knbow what the term responsibility means.C'mon,a grand a week on welfare because you've figured out spreading the legs and dropping out another kid will get you 22s and tires on your new Caddy?Oh,need this too for social status.PLEEEZE!!!!

    Tell ya what.if I dissappear the Secret Serviced tagged my ass,you may be right.Doubt it,the 1ST still stands unless the socialist gets reelected and really implements the "below the radar" crap.Hope you're not religious because God is sitting back giggling his ass off that we of all people can't remember what freedom is about and what it took to get what we're going to lose.40 years ago I looked at my Grandmother with bewilderment when my Grandfather (ex vet) said we'll be Russia and vice-versa,hmm.Does that mean I need to sell my guns,see a shrink,get signed paperwork,then steal a gun and go on a shooting spree.Sorry man,that's F'd up compared to the previous conversation.I understand if you won't admit to the crap publically,but if you don't agree at all you are not American.Our Founding Fathers had balls,now everyone worries if they're sitting in boxers or briefs,and if you're running commando you're a queer.I want a detail with Kirk,.O"hurrah is hot and I could learn something from Spock.

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    BB or anyone else,sorry if I offended you but I take nothing back.Long,bad day,neede a few beers to chill,it spills out as I see it.

    PS.They won't sign the papers,really.I think they just want my money?

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    Friends don't let friends drink beer and write.
    C'mon: Gimme the keys from your keyboard.

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    WOW...........All I can say, is that you didn't offend me, but I stick to my statements(minus alcohol).....if it makes you feel any better, I won't be voting for our current leader........get some sleep.
    Quote Originally Posted by rex View Post
    I do believe you missed the underlying jist here,I never undermined anyone's civil or legal rights like present rookies( at least here with the Staties).I'm not a puss and spit it out as it is,sorry if you're afraid or I misconstrued that post.It is what it is,and this country was founded by this train of thought that said F you and this is the way it will be like or see ya.Guess who won then.Unfortunately this political BS is an underlying fight we're in.Carry is gaining ground throughout the country because real people are tired of the shit,it isn't the police or government's job to provide our safety,proven in court,you're on your own and the shitholes are making you a subserviant subject that the propaganda suckers buy and keep buying into this crap because they're too stupid to think for themselves or knbow what the term responsibility means.C'mon,a grand a week on welfare because you've figured out spreading the legs and dropping out another kid will get you 22s and tires on your new Caddy?Oh,need this too for social status.PLEEEZE!!!!

    Tell ya what.if I dissappear the Secret Serviced tagged my ass,you may be right.Doubt it,the 1ST still stands unless the socialist gets reelected and really implements the "below the radar" crap.Hope you're not religious because God is sitting back giggling his ass off that we of all people can't remember what freedom is about and what it took to get what we're going to lose.40 years ago I looked at my Grandmother with bewilderment when my Grandfather (ex vet) said we'll be Russia and vice-versa,hmm.Does that mean I need to sell my guns,see a shrink,get signed paperwork,then steal a gun and go on a shooting spree.Sorry man,that's F'd up compared to the previous conversation.I understand if you won't admit to the crap publically,but if you don't agree at all you are not American.Our Founding Fathers had balls,now everyone worries if they're sitting in boxers or briefs,and if you're running commando you're a queer.I want a detail with Kirk,.O"hurrah is hot and I could learn something from Spock.

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    Wow,that was out there,I had a larger buzz than I thought.Hope the OP learns what's going on,alot of people don't investigate these laws to find out exactly what they mean and how it applies in different situations.Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rex View Post
    Hope the OP learns what's going on.
    I'm going to say he won't, until it's the hard way and someone is injured or dead. I have a feeling that, like a lot of people who get answers they do not like, instead of reassessing his way of thinking, he will just keep searching until he finds a place that agrees with his ideas of "self defense" and tells him it's OK to suppress ignorant fools with hollow points and shoot people with rat shot to scare them. Remember, he knows more about shooting and tactics than we will ever know.

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