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    I recommend the Ruger SR9 or the Beretta Px4 Storm in whichever size you are most comfortable with. Both guns are great and average priced.

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    It's funny how whenever I hear the brand Hi-Point I suddenly puke in my mouth a little bit.

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    I agree. Skip the High Point and similar. Go for a Smith & Wesson M&P fullsize, CZ 75, Glock, Beretta or similar. I like to choose guns that are accepted by law enforcement or military as they must pass rigourous testing to be accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesignBizProf View Post
    I agree. Skip the High Point and similar. Go for a Smith & Wesson M&P fullsize, CZ 75, Glock, Beretta or similar. I like to choose guns that are accepted by law enforcement or military as they must pass rigourous testing to be accepted.
    not to start an argument or anything, Im just wondering if you pick your cars the same way?

    I just dis like the comparison of "i buy it cause its what LEO or military uses"..just isnt practical when it comes to someones first gun purchase..

    Not saying anything against the guns you listed, as they are all great, but you could have left out the last sentence

    Like I said, not bashing on you just stating an observation..

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    Like I said......
    Quote Originally Posted by berettabone View Post
    I guess, no matter what other's opinions are, new shooters must go through the "shooting" pains, like the rest of us probably did. If I could give any advice at all, it's save your money, and buy a quality firearm....it's so worth it in the long run. You can eliminate the early problems that people can have with certain(ahem) firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkoms View Post
    Hey everyone, I was hoping I could get some educated suggestions for my first gun. I'm looking for something simple. All I want to do is shoot at the range so no significant safety features are necessary since I don't even plan on having ammo unless I'm at the range let alone have the gun loaded any other time then when I'm shooting. I was looking for a 9mm that is of decent size. I have fired a 9mm and feal fairly comfortable with the recoil for learning to shoot and the smaller guns I have held feel pretty uncomfortable in my hands. I'm hoping for something durable and simple that I can learn all the mechanics of. If I could get some suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated. Also, I'm looking to spend a fortune on my first gun but I'm not shy about spending some money either. At a glance I have noticed quite a few that were around 300-600 and that is a price range I am comfortable with. I do plan on going to a shop to make my purchase since I want to be sure I'm comfortable with it but as with all salesman, they are going to want to make the sake and I'd rather have an idea of what I'm looking at rather then being force fed information.
    Hi Inkoms. First allow me to welcome you to this wonderful and fulfilling sport. Shooting is very rewarding. Not to mention that your skills in this endeavor may save your buns some day (but don't get paranoid about that).

    There is a plethora of excellent choices in todays market. You really can't go wrong, if you do your homework. Don't just rush out and buy a gun. Take maybe a month and do your homework. Before you buy anything, go to youtube and do a search on any gun you're interested in. You will find a ton of excellent gun review videos there. But I warn you, watching these gun videos can become addictive. It is for me. I spend hundreds of hours watching these vids. But that's just me. Don't get caught up with caliber or firepower, or knockdown power. Buy something you can afford to practice with A LOT, like a 9MM. If practice ammo cost is no problem, get what ever caliber you can comfortable shoot well and quickly. Practice is the key. If you're not shooting a couple hundred rounds each month, you'll never become proficient with a handgun. And using a handgun for self defense entails a lot more than just target shooting. But that's where you start. Don't let anyone talk you into anything. Do your homework and get what YOU want/like. Do the youtube thing. That's what I do before I buy any gun.

    Let me dispell one myth for you. Using todays modern, state-of-the-art, self defense ammo, the 9MM, 357 Sig, 40S&W, and 45ACP all perform to approximately the same level. They all get the job done with authority. One is not superior to the others as they are all loaded to FBI ballistic test protocols. Minimum of 12" and maximum of 18" of penetration. Manufactures load to just over the minimums as evidenced in the below chart. A 9MM would be an excellent choice for your first handgun. There are probably more 9's manufactured then all other calibers combined. 9MM practice ammo is relatively cheap at $10 a box (shop around and check the internet), compared to other calibers.

    Don't think an auto is your only choice. There are many fine revolvers in todays market. A revolver is much simpler to use then an auto. Both autos and revolvers are appropriate for CCW and home defense. I have and shoot both extensively. I have lots of guns. I have a shooting range on my property. I reload and cast my own bullets. I shoot more in a week than most people shoot in a year. I shoot A LOT ! My favorite gun is always the one I just finished shooting. For CCW and home defense I use a Ruger SR40C. But that doesn't mean you should run out and get one. If someone recommends a gun to you, do a search for it on youtube. Take some time to educate yourself about guns. If you have a family, get them involved to. It's fun!

    Enjoy the journey, happy shooting and be safe.

    Semper Fi !

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    Re: First handgun, suggestions

    I did try out the the extra grip expansions the gen4 came with. I actually ended up sticking with no expansion since it became a little harder to hit the magazine release however they did work very well. You can definitely feel a significant difference and it does help if you have larger hands.

    I appreciate all of the continued support but just in case some haven't noticed I did make a purchase. I felt a little more comfortable with the .40 and the slight increase in recoil over the 9mm if that makes sense. It just felt that with the added increase in power, I'm more able to control it since I can feel it in more in my hands.

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    genesis - you are wrong on the production numbers
    by the ATF data:
    in 2010 there were 630,217 9mm pistols sold compared to a total of semi auto pistols sold of 2,258,450
    for the last 10 years: 3,188,102 9mm pistols sold compared to a total of semi auto pistols sold of 10,811,161

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    genesis - you are wrong on the production numbers by the ATF data: in 2010 there were 630,217 9mm pistols sold compared to a total of semi auto pistols sold of 2,258,450 for the last 10 years: 3,188,102 9mm pistols sold compared to a total of semi auto pistols sold of 10,811,161
    OK. I stand corrected. Thanks Hideit.

    Wait a minute. That's only US data. I think world wide, the 9 would be king. What do you think Hideit.

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    ATF data, provided by shootingindustry.com, only provides data for sales in the usa.
    they also provided data by country imports to the usa, but it isn't provided by caliber or manufacturer
    1,688,307 handguns were imported to the USA from all foreign countries in 2011, 1,732,719 in 2010.
    about 500,000 of that number is Austria - i assume Glock

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