The S&W Sigma is a Glock clone, a very poor example of one but one none the less. The S&W M&P I have to disagree. Why ? Because I know guns and this is just not so.
The K9 is nothing like the 2 Kahrs you mentioned but if you don't like the feel of Kahrs I am sure you would not like the K9 either.
So many opinions in this thread right now, my opinion is simple, get the best gun you can afford and if you can not afford a good one save for a while longer. Internet knowlege is nothing compared to real hands on. Too many internetters speak with authority but sadly are incorrect with authority.
I'm guessing that you want something along the lines then of a compact double stack seeing you leaning toward the XD or M&P, apparently you don't care if it's thin or not. Between the two I would go with the M&P personally, I just like the feel and point of aim of the pistol better then the XD.
But another pistol if you want a double stack compact worth looking at is the CZ 75 D PCR or CZ 75 P0-7 (I have a custom PCR just love it as well as a first model TP-9 Kahr, love that one too). Both have decocks both are light (first one has a alloy frame the other polymer) both magazines carry 13 rounds and both meet NATO standards for what it's worth.
The CZ is concidered comparable to the Browning High Power (BHP) which set the standard in pistol ergonomics which I agree after having owned approx. 8 BHP in my time, giving the last one up for the PCR due to its light weight, the ability of DA/SA and the decock.
CZ in my opinion is one of the best buys out there and I would have no problems putting up my PCR against pistol out there costing several hundred$ more, for accuracy, reliability, fit and finish.
I am not sure I understand your post but it appears you are calling me a Glock hater and impying I don't know much about handguns. Before I go any further with this thread I would like a point of clarity. I hope you aren't calling me a Glock hater and I would like to undersand the laughing smiley face thing so similar to that which my 7th grade daughter uses on her internet posts.
the m&p is a direct desendant of the 2nd generation sigma, the model produced AFTER the design changes mandated by the settlement.
so the m&p is no more a glock clone that the glock is a clone of the hk vp70 (12 years before the glock) or the browning hipower.
a polymer firearm isnt unique.... remmington started making the nylon 66 in 1959 (11years before the vp70)....
and i do know guns
Striker fired? Nah
Plastic frame? Nah
Polygonal bore? Nah
Rotten,cheap sights? Eh,maybe
Safe Action? yes,but it's an oxymoron.
The Glock was designed as a cheap gun for the masses,masses meaning non gun loving people that like many LEO's and some military,could care less about guns and only have one because you shoved it in their hand.Now you have a person that is not proficient in handgun handling and safety holding a gun with the safety right in the worst place,the bangstick.Common sense would prove this is counter productive to the original intent.
Being a dangerous gun? Bingo
If you like Glocks,more power to you,if you don't like me,who cares?I think the most of Browning's 1911 and HKs,and if you ask I will give you my opinion,but the Glock lovers just really put the love/hate debate in a whole new class.The gun is not the most fantastic piece of machinery it's made out to be.How long did it take them to cure a known problem that caused them to blow up?Isn't the locking system a modified Browning design dating to the early 20th century?C'mon now,hyping up the mundane gets old and rediculous after a while.
Other than the Glock clone debate, thanks for everyone's opinion.