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    We all have read and heard all these studies of actual shooting and alot can be learned from these.There are so many variables in each case.Adrenaline is a powerful drug and when dumped into the system it produces amazing results.Here is a personal case to back up my point.I was a shift supervisor in a small bakery.I was cleaning a high speed metal conveyor of cake batter when my hand got caught in it.There was no one around me and no e-stop in reach.I grabbed the conveyor and stopped it and removed my hand.It had to be an adrenaline dump as no other explanation could be used.The conveyor was suppossedly impossible to stop it like I did.And this story also explains why a high pain tolerance is a reason for gunshot recipients to keep going.After calling my asst.,I went to hospital,had one finger reset and patched up.Went back to work and the only time I missed was the amputation of the finger and dr visits.I lost the finger after 3 failed surgeries and no longer can flip anyone off.Three days after accident I had to replace a fan belt on my truck and had to remove 1 motor mount and lift engine to get it on.The mind can make the body do amazing things.If a suspect has a strong will and high pain tolerance he can suck up alot of rounds.I believe my story has to do with not being coddled and told to suck it up.This is why the brain is your most dangerous weapon.

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    Im a little confused as to why my question about has anyone ever had to shoot someone and wat was the outcome question was deleted which is a real world thing that can happen but this is allowed???? Just curious. HG

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...


    For more info on this topic, see this thread:

    An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power
    I was of course speaking tongue in cheek.

    As others have said there are just too many variables, one cannot give a definitive answer to the question. This is where the phrase "keep shooting till you're out of ammo or the target is down" comes into play.

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    I'll be training with a real gun soon, but the only gun I'm allowed to train with is a .22. Thats what I have in mind when I asked the question actually. I asked for 9mm advice cause well I was curious. From what I've heard a .22 will just make the guy angrier...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemmigremmie View Post
    Im a little confused as to why my question about has anyone ever had to shoot someone and wat was the outcome question was deleted which is a real world thing that can happen but this is allowed???? Just curious. HG
    After reviewing the mod log of this thread I can say no posts were deleted, however there is all ready a thread on that topic eslewhere.

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    More humans and animals are killed with the .22.It is not an ideal weapon but it will do if it is in your hand.Just as any caliber you need to place not a round but rounds into a vital area.I have personally killed many hogs with a single .22 round and some just wont go down.That is why a .22 is one of proffessional hit men favorite weapons.

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    It was blocked or something. I was told it wasnt appropriate?? Dont know. No biggie. Just wondered. Hg

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    Quote Originally Posted by tahsin View Post
    I'll be training with a real gun soon, but the only gun I'm allowed to train with is a .22. Thats what I have in mind when I asked the question actually. I asked for 9mm advice cause well I was curious. From what I've heard a .22 will just make the guy angrier...
    Do you plan on shooting it out with the hulk? lol

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    "How many shots form a 9mm handgun does it take (shots to the chest and stomach) to bring down a man? How quickly will a man fall to the ground after 4 shots are fired? DOes he fall backwards like in the movies or does he fall forward?"

    There is a reason you are told to shoot until the threat is neutralized. As has been said by many others -- you just never know.

    How big is the person, how angry, how high or drunk, how well trained, how active at the time you shot, etc., etc., etc.?

    What did you shoot him or her with? Lead, FMJ, hollow point, soft point, etc.? What was bullet placement?

    I suspect the variables are nearly endless.

    So, keep shooting until the threat is removed -- or, he/she gets to you, and you are "extinguished".

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    Well agent 007 James Bond used a variety of guns in his long career, but there were a couple of movies in which he used a Walther P5 9mm (Never Say Never Again) and a Walther P99 9mm (Tomorrow Never Dies). It's hard to imagine that 007 would ever need to shoot someone more than once

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    well,James Bond is hollywood and is not real world.I have read alot of accounts where suspects were shot 1 time in a area that hit no vitals or bones or anything of significance and fell incapacitated.Cause ,mental voodoo.We as a generation -the younger people-are so programmed by movies and TV that the mind tells me I been hit and fall.There was one officer I read about that interrupted a robbery and the suspect fired 1 .22 round.The officer felt a stinging sensation and fell.He pulled his weapon and fired 4 rounds killing him.When he searched himself he found no wound.But he felt the sting.Voodoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skullfr View Post
    well,James Bond is hollywood and is not real world.I have read alot of accounts where suspects were shot 1 time in a area that hit no vitals or bones or anything of significance and fell incapacitated.Cause ,mental voodoo.We as a generation -the younger people-are so programmed by movies and TV that the mind tells me I been hit and fall.There was one officer I read about that interrupted a robbery and the suspect fired 1 .22 round.The officer felt a stinging sensation and fell.He pulled his weapon and fired 4 rounds killing him.When he searched himself he found no wound.But he felt the sting.Voodoo.
    What James Bond isn't real? What will you tell me next? There's no Santa Claus Just joking with you. My above 007 post was just a joke also.

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    sorry to burst your bubble no santy claus

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    That's just a weird question....??

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    No Santa? James Bond not real? Burst my bubble, will you!!

    Now, what can I believe in -- especially since I can't trust my super-duper-Glock17 to dispatch bad guys with one shot.

    No respect, I tell you, no respect!

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    To be serious, in 1979 I became a police officer in a city in Georgia. The month before that an officer was killed by a single .22 cal bullet. He was chasing a felon down an alley. The felon found concealment and waited on the officer. The officer was wearing a vest however he had both arms extended out holding his revolver. As he came even with the felon in hiding the felon fired his .22 cal handgun once. The bullet entered thru the officers side and entered his heart killing him instantly. Freak things happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tahsin View Post
    How many shots form a 9mm handgun does it take (shots to the chest and stomach) to bring down a man? How quickly will a man fall to the ground after 4 shots are fired? DOes he fall backwards like in the movies or does he fall forward?
    Soooooo many variable to be considered here. There is no "one" right answer.

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