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    Best first 9mm handgun for the range and home defense?

    I am looking to purchase a handgun within the next month.

    I would like to take the gun to the range and have it for home defense.

    Although I realize 9mm are not the best for the range, I do not want a .22.

    I have limited it down to these (but open for other input):

    Glock 17
    Glock 19
    Beretta PX4 Storm
    Sig Sauer P229 (Kind of on the pricier side - might rather spend on ammo)
    HK P30

    I would like to keep it under $650 and definitely purchase new.

    I realize that similar questions have been asked before but I have not been able to find any that address home defense and range together. Also newer guns have come out after some of the threads.

    Any suggestions?

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    Don't skip the M&P series, the M&P9fs is a great shooter. I paid $550 out the door and that was higher than typical price as I special ordered with ambi safety from my LGS. They have the plain jane m&p9fs for about $30 less, and other stores had it even cheaper. The M&P shoots very smooth with a mellow recoil, the trigger is not as crisp as some, but they work in over time, and unless you are match shooting it works just fine.

    9mm is the next cheapest round compared to a 22, and is the best choice (imho) for constant practice on the range and SD. After that you are into the more expensive 40 & 45, etc, etc.. 9mm JHP technology has come a long way and stopping power is much better than years ago. Get some good JHP SD rounds for home, Golddot, Critical defense, Hydrashok, etc. Opinions on ammo are as varied as pistol models, maybe check what the locla PD uses and do the same. Never hurts if you end up in a self defense situation to use what they use, less worries about some crackpot lawyer claiming you used use overly lethal ammo...

    Ohh the multiple backstraps of the M&P are also nice to better fit your hand..

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    Instead of the Sig P229 take a look at the Sig SP2022 in 9mm, currently on sale @ Palmetto Armory online 349.00 and free shipping as well..."best kept secret in firearms"......JJ

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    In my opinion, Glocks are a solid reliable choice. They aren't the most sexy, but your looking for a life safety tool and for that one of your primary concerns should be knowing that it will do the job required of it the moment you need it to.

    My wife and I both have Glock 26s, which are similar but slightly smaller than the 19 and would recommend the 19 without hesitation.

    The PX4 is unique in that the rotating barrel action absorbs some of the recoil, making for a smoother weapon to shoot. I have a friend who has a PX4 and likes it, but can't offer any personal experience.

    HK and Sig are generally considered to be good quality guns, and a step up from the more utilitarian Glock.

    I would recommend that if can try them out before you settle on a particular model. See if a local range has rentals that you can try.

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    I researched guns for a long time before my first purchase over two years ago. I never thought I would get a Glock, but after much research, they are the best bang for the buck. I have never had any malfunctions with my Glock 19. I think it is the perfect gun. It is reliable, accurate and a pleasure to shoot. Big enough to get a full grip, yet not too big. I have the Gen 3 since I believe the Gen 4 does not add anything significant to the gun. Can't go wrong with a Glock. Good luck.

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    Don't forget to look at the used firearms, let somebody else take the hit on depreciation. If you lean to some of the pricier guns, buying second hand may -- operative word, may -- bring it down to an affordable range. Of course, that means being a little more patient in your shopping.

    All of the choices listed above are good ones. See how each feels in your hand and realize that after you become more proficient, you may end up trading in for a different one as you come to realize what feels good and fits your hand.

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    I don't think you're going to find an HK in your pricerange and I'm not sure what Sigs are going for but it sounds borderline.I agree with a good used one.For that price you couls get a real nice used P30 and maybe a few extras.HKPRO forum gets some real nice stuff for sale and I've seen some real good deals.Sometimes you can find them on the auction sites.If I ever buy another 9 it will be an HK,the Walther PPQ seems real nice but I'm not into the "safe action" design bandwagon.

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    Take a look at the Ruger SR9! I have one and it's a GREAT shooter. Comes with a reversible backstrap for a preferred grip. I've had mine for about 1 1/2 years and it is one of the guns I shoot most often. I hardly ever go to the range without it.
    Just one man's $.02!!

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    Staying within your budget, I'd take the Glock 17. If I could go higher, I think a Sig P226 is hard to beat.

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    I appreciate everyone's input so far. After holding many of the aforementioned pistols I am leaning towards purchasing the Glock 17 - Gen4. IMO, this pistol has a natural feel and grip to it that the others do not.

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    I just recently purchased my first 9mm firearms for target shooting and HD. I couldn't decide so I bought two: FNH FNX-9 and CZ-75 SP-01. These are very nice guns and within your price range, both are reliable and accurate. The FNX-9 has alot of safety features and the CZ-75 platform is one of the most widely used, if not the most, by LE throughout the world.

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    I would look at the CZ 75 or CZ P07 as well as the Sig 2022. all are dirt cheap and excellently made.

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    If the gun will never be carried then between the Glocks the 17 is a better choice over the 19.

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    Hello:
    please someone explain, over the weekend i went into a local place and the guy behind the counter took out 3 semi auto, a beretta standard and one a little smaller and a smith and wesson, now that one was a concealed, i did not like that one thougt it was to small,
    also talking 9mm that is what he gave me and i read that is not a good gun to take to the range so if the to reasons i am getting a handgun one home defense and going to the range, i thought that would be a waste of ammo, please tell me if i am wrong, as i had said i am very new in this and did not even take a course yet but will the middle to end of aug,
    i was told that a range is right over the bridge where i live and rents which i want to shoot before i purchase, I have to say i was surprise that the guy allowed me to handle them. i did like the standard but might be a little big in my hand.

    Lisa stetz - hamilton NJ

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    A 9mm is an excellent choice for range and HD....you would use different ammunition for each one, cheaper for range and practice....JJ

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    you are the first person that said a 9 mm is a good one, others i read say it would be a waste, not sure if i understand

    Lisa Stetz- hamilton NJ

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    Everything about guns is a tradeoff. Other calipers (like .357. .40, .45, etc.) are certainly more powerful, but then so is a shotgun, The newer 9mm JHP ammunition is adequate for most handgun-range defensive purposes and 9mm has the advantage of holding more rounds in the magazine and it's easier to shoot (less recoil). Also, 9mm FMJ practice/target ammo is the cheapest available center-fire ammo (like $0.20 a round) so you can afford to practice. Pistols from sub-compact to full-size service guns are chambered in 9mm, Finally, being the military and police standard, there will always be plenty of 9mm around; our local cops are converting back to 9mm from .40 cal. As a point of reference, 9mm is slightly more powerful than .38 special. Personally, I only shoot 9mm in my pistols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LStetz View Post
    Hello:
    please someone explain, over the weekend i went into a local place and the guy behind the counter took out 3 semi auto, a beretta standard and one a little smaller and a smith and wesson, now that one was a concealed, i did not like that one thougt it was to small,
    also talking 9mm that is what he gave me and i read that is not a good gun to take to the range so if the to reasons i am getting a handgun one home defense and going to the range, i thought that would be a waste of ammo, please tell me if i am wrong, as i had said i am very new in this and did not even take a course yet but will the middle to end of aug,
    i was told that a range is right over the bridge where i live and rents which i want to shoot before i purchase, I have to say i was surprise that the guy allowed me to handle them. i did like the standard but might be a little big in my hand.

    Lisa stetz - hamilton NJ
    Three information sources which should raise eyebrows with anyone: police, CCW instructors, and gun shop sales personnel. You'd be amazed at how much crap comes from the mouths of people in these groups. And for newbies in the gun world, all that does is confuse them more. You best friend is to read everything you can about the subject at hand, talk to different folks, and keep an open mind. If it sounds a little fishy (EX: "If you hit a man in his hand with a .45 it will take his arm off."), then you can pretty much bet it is.

    The 9mm is one step up the ladder from what most "experts" consider to be the bottom rung in self defense semi-auto pistol calibers. So bullet design and load becomes critical when selecting this caliber for defensive purposes. This is not to say the 9mm won't do the job, it just means there are better choices out there. However, with the best defensive loads and a good launching platform (pistol), the 9mm is a very capable caliber. Some of its best suits is the wide variety of ammunition available, rather low recoil, inexpensive target ammo for frequent practice, rapid followup shots, and magazine capacity. The .40S&W, the .357 Sig, and the .45ACP are better for defensive work, but the 9mm is nothing to sneeze at.

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    You would also be surprised at the crap that comes off the key boards of people on internet boards. I would rank 90% of them right there with gun sales people. Alot of them are parrots or only google wise and not really practically savy in what they come across as an expert on. Most of what is presented as fact is indeed opinion and nothing more. The more eliquent can present their opinion in a way that they will gain groupies on a board which is a silly thing to behold. A lot of the people who really have knowlege stay pretty quiet most of the time, because they know a google expert will want to "beg to differ". It is easy to speak with authority on a subject you have only read about or wish you really knew about if the person reading what you write agrees or likes how you wrote what you did write. However you may not even own a motorcycle or handgun or lawnmower that you are writing about.

    I take 9mm to the range every trip I make. If it is not a good gun to takle there I wish someone would have let me in on it. Now I have become proficient with a bottom rung, If a gun store will not allow you to handle a gun and there is no ordiance against it, buy your gun elsewhere.

    It is a good idea to practice so going to a range that rents is a very good idea.

    Good luck to you in what ever you choose, learn to and always be safe. Have fun.

    RCG

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    Quote Originally Posted by LStetz View Post
    you are the first person that said a 9 mm is a good one, others i read say it would be a waste, not sure if i understand

    Lisa Stetz- hamilton NJ
    There was a guy killed in a nearby town last year with a .22 pistol. Nothing wrong with a 9mm.

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