Are you planning to conceal carry or open carry this handgun ? That may make a difference on what someone might recommend.
Hi! I'm new to this forum and this is my first post . I'm currently looking for a nice handgun which I can carry everyday and will also be pleasing to use in the range.
I used to carry a Taurus .45 but I have sold it years ago, never really had the time to bring it to the range to enjoy it so I never really knew how it handled.
Please suggest a handgun for me in any caliber. I have a few questions also:
1. What caliber is ideal for edc?
2. Caliber for self-defense?
3. Which handgun is "future-proof"?
Ideally, I'd like the gun to have:
- a modern look
- preferrably hammerless/concealed hammer
- an accessory rail so I can attach a laser/a tactical light
- easy to maintain
- has a number of safety features
- modular so I can customise
- budget is $700-$1200 depending on how much I really like the gun
Saw a Sig Saur P250, not too much of a looker but is this a good choice?
This will be my first gun to fire at the range
Thanks for your help!
Are you planning to conceal carry or open carry this handgun ? That may make a difference on what someone might recommend.
I'd prefer it to be concealed, but are there any concealables in the compact size category? I find sub compacts to be a tad too small...
I own three Sig P250s in compact and they have been excellent, modular so you can also change sizes and calibers. DAO trigger pull which is long and revolver like, this acts as a safety as well. You might also want to look at a S&W m&p series as they also have a compact model with a safety and accessory rail...most testing by FBI etc has determined that the .40 S&W is a preferred self defense caliber but with the newer cartridges 9mm will also do very well in that role......JJ
Sig also has the P250 in a 2sum package which gives you both a FS and a compact, essentially two pistols for the price of one and you can switch the fire control unit(trigger group)between them to fit your needs in minutes...JJ
I'm pretty new to handguns and this forum alike, I'm not really familiar with the abbreviations . I really like the m&p's but I can't find them anywhere... Any other suggestions aside from the m&p and the sig?
Sorry, BUT.....you carried around a .45, but didn't know how it handled?..........................If you have any firearm stores in your area, go check out what they have, and maybe shoot something first..........#1...to me any caliber above .32 is fine for EDC...#2..same answer....#3...don't know what you mean by "future proof".........and it is really important whether you're going to carry IWB or OWB...if you're going to carry outside, there are SOOOOOOO many choices..concealed cuts down the list.
I have a Glock 27 (.40 caliber). It is small and light enough to ankle carry or carry on the waist (but not in the pocket). It carries a major caliber, and it has been extraordinarily reliable. A good choice.
I have a S & W 340PD. Very light (12.6 ounces empty), revolver. Absolutely reliable, pocketable, and powerful (.357 magnum).
I also have a 640Pro (S & W). Conceals very well, shoots .357s and handles the magnums well. Very reliable and stainless steel. Good on the waist or on the ankle.
I like all three. The 340PD is in my pocket at all times. The G27 is usually on my ankle. I also carry either a Glock 23 or the 640Pro on the waist.
What expeience do you have with handguns?Knowing what you have shot for guns ,calibers,and how well you shot them along with how they felt would help immensely to set you in the right direction.From my impression so far I would recommend a 9,maybe 45 but without more info it's a pure guessing game.Once you pick a caliber you narrow down the available choices in the gun,then handle them to eliminate some and try to shoot as many as you can you do like.Once you hit the last 2 you really like,the easy elimination is over.
Handling them can be a little misleading.Just because it doesn't feel great doesn't mean it won't turn out to be something you really like,so keep those on a maybe list.As an example,my favorite platform is the 1911 Commander (mid size),but I can handle a Beretta 92 just as well despite it's odd feel.
Yikes is right! Carrying around a .45, and not knowing how it handled.........
I have very little experience with guns. I have handled a lot of my friends' guns but never really shot with them.
I'm leaning more on the 9mm since it's the easiest to find and I feel it's ideal for edc since the capacity of the magazines are higher than the. 40/.45.
Ok,that helps immensely-hence the 'yikes" posts.
Now,how is your groupings at a given distance with 9s?The best way to learn shooting ,after the safety rules are drummed in,is with a 22 so you ingrain the basics before recoil is introduced.It's not set in stone but it isn't easy to jump from a rifle to a handgun,whole different world.Rifles are easy if you've shot them,shotguns don't count at all.
If you never shot guns,buy a 22 and shoot the hell out of it,and get as much coaching as possible.There's the basics like stance and grip,which vary,but sight alignment and trigger control must be ingrained before you can really critique the first 2.Shooting 22s off the bench or supported gets you to go freehand,and now the groups open right up.Throw in recoil and it makes it harder and longer to ingrain the same as with the 22.
You want to carry a piece,that brings widespread responsibiliy.IF you need it,you better know where that bullet goes.A miss endangers who knows who,but being cranked up on adrenalin makes a 10lb trigger pull feel like 1/2 that-not good explaining an accidental discharge (AD),that is really a negligent discharge (ND),and you really didn't mean to do it.Doesn't tend to work out well.On a sidenote,you don't play Billybadass when carrying,you do not escalate a situation at all even if Tart Tom irritates you.Avoid at alll reasonable means,if they persue and attack you have to think about reasonable force and excessive force.
How much of this do you know?
I respect guns, I don't go swinging it about randomly nor do I let people know I carry one since that would defeat the purpose of a concealed carry. I don't have a short fuse which makes me draw guns in confrontations. The gun will be purely for security threats such as when on a long drive with my son and wife.
Just to make it clear, in the country where we reside, the usual modus of criminals are "riding-in-tandem" meaning two people riding on a motorbike, one driving, one shooting. This is especially true in rural areas such as the suburbs here.
I do have two security personnel with me all the time when travelling which I find too costly and frankly quite annoying especially when I want some quiet time with my family.
I plan to purchase an edc not for the sake of toting a gun around but primarily for security purposes and to cut down costs on security detail.
Hope this clarifies things a bit better. Thanks, guys.
Just from what I've read here, it sounds to me, like you need to take some defensive handgun courses
Yup, I intend to take up some training but I'd like to purchase a pistol prior to that.
I actually just came from the local gun shop and saw the Sig P250 compact in metal. Looks much better than it does online. And it fits my hand well. My only concern is that it doesnt have safety on it.
Along with the P250, I also tried the Sig 2022 and the Walther PPS. Really like the PPS but got a bit turned off by its relatively low capacity.
Anyone here have the P250? What are your impressions?
Where exactly are you?Ive heard good on the 250 for the most part,Not so much failures but a fit issue or expectations of a gun twice the price.Something is better than nothing.
By the sounds of it,you're in a friggin war zone.For a pistol,I'd only run a large mag with ball (FMJ) in 9,and want more.If what I picture outside of the US,a handgun is suppressive fire to pull out real equipment.I'd run 45 ball with immediate access to a select fire weapon no lower than an MP5,and that's still just a 9.Damn man,ever think of moving?
I would suggest that you get training first. Schools such as Gunsite or Front Sight are not cheap - BUT, you get really outstanding instruction and a lot of it in 4 or 5 days. You can rent from them, but it would be better if you had an idea of what felt good. 9mm is easier to shoot and cheaper but has less stopping power which is moot if you can't hit what you are aiming at. Single actions have a nicer trigger, double action/single action such as the Sig or H&K don't need a thumb safety as the first shot is double action (long pull like a revolver). All modern guns are "safe", it's the operator that has the problem, if you learn to use it well, no problem. At either of the two schools, you will shoot a minimum of 400-500 rounds. At the end of the week you will begin to learn how much there is to learn. Get the education BEFORE you even think about carrying. You may also decide that going back and taking the same course in 6 months to a year later will be well worth it. Expensive? You bet, but then how much does a defense attorney cost? How will you feel knowing that you shot someone that maybe you didn't have to shoot. How much will a couple of years in prison to a whole lot of years in prison cost? How does destroying your family sound because you are in jail? How much would it be worth NOT to be a convicted felon. This is a great sport and it's a wonderful country that allows you to carry a firearm to protect yourself, but you have some awesome responsibilities when you do. A really good education is dirt cheap compared to the other possibilities.
Sorry, I got off subject. Carry what you feel comfortable with. Handle as many different guns as possible. My EDC right now is a Commander length Kimber Pro Carry HD II in .38 Super. I always have a little Ruger LCP on me even if I don't have the Kimber. I know how both guns shoot, I practice with both and feel comfortable with both, but I have carried the H&K 45c which I also really like, I went through Front Sight with a Springfield XD 40 and discovered that I really do not like the .40 S&W round because of the sharp recoil (I have bad wrists and it flat out hurts). I went through Front Sight the last time with a .38 Super. I carried a Gov't Model Colt .45 for years as a cop. To me the 1911 is right, the H&K 45c is pretty darn close and carries well, the Kimber carries very comfortably. Whatever you decide, take the class and then shoot it, shoot it again and shoot it some more, then shoot it often. Know the gun inside and out. Know how to strip it, keep it clean, clear malfunctions quickly. Shoot it so much that you can draw and point in on your target with your eyes closed and when you open them, you will be on target. Most of all enjoy the sport. Sorry for the book, just my 2¢
Go to the range and rent some guns you have researched and shoot them, the one that works for you is what matters. I'm a big fan of Glocks IMO they are great guns. They come in full size, compact and sub compact and are very reliable, far as safeties there isn't really any besides the trigger.
This is strictly my opinion, and has worked in many years of firearms training, and for men and ladies alike.
Get some training FIRST. Reputable instructors provide a host of handguns for you to experience in class. That will give you some idea of where you're preferences might lead you in handgun selection. Then.....
Buy a handgun just like you would buy a pair of shoes. If Ol' Joe over here says he likes Charlie China tennis shoes, and you're looking for a new pair of shoes, do you run out and buy Joe's pick, just because HE likes 'em? Probably not. If a new shooter is asking what to buy for a carry gun, it doesn't matter what works for me, or anyone else. I suggest telling that new shooter to go to many gun shops, and/or gun shows, and handle all the guns they can get hold of. Just like they would try on shoes. Before long they'll be able to make a list of guns that feel ok, pretty good, real good, and "that really feels great in my hands". The last two are the ones to pursue, and here's why I say that....If a given handgun doesn't feel "right" in your hands, you'll not shoot it enough to become proficient with it, because it's not comfortable, and you won't like shooting it. Just like you rarely wear shoes that are UNcomfortable. If you're not gonna become proficient with it, save your money, and buy a ball bat to carry. With proper fundamentals, he/she can learn to shoot almost any handgun, or any caliber. Very few folks can re-train their hands to make just any handgun feel comfortable. The last suggestion... again....get some training......proper shooting techinques, practiced slowly, but proficiently, will breed speed. Do it slowly, and do it the right way, every time.......If you practice speed first, and introduce less efficient techniques into your training, you'll have to do it all over again to get it right.
By the way..... anyone who introduces a new shooter to our pastime by having them start with a large-caliber handgun, makes a very poor decision. Yes, some folks do ok starting out with large calibers, but the vast majority
will not continue to shoot if their very 1st experience is with .50 S&W. Start with a .22 caliber something, and as your technique/accuracy improves, work up from there. Caliber doesn't count until after you can hit your target.
There always will be a trade-off..... light weight, more recoil...... shorter barrel, more recoil... just sayin....
Again, just my ramblings.... but they work for me...
Beretta PX4 Compact, you can thank me later, or a Glock 19, but I prefer a good DA/SA w/ a decocker as an EDC. Sig in a compact, XDM 3.5, M&P compact, SR9C, ..........etc. You have to be the one who knows what you want, but any of the above is a good start.
Last edited by denner; 06-09-2012 at 08:03 AM.
Thank you all for yout replies, after reading through them, all have been informative. And while I do appreciate all the information given about taking lessons, I'm afraid I don't have the luxury of time. Yet.
I will be going through some training but for now, I still need to have a concealed weapon since threat is imminent. That's basically why I'd prefer a 9mm since it's the easiest to shoot while having considerable power unlike those of .22's.
I'd really appreciate gun and model suggestions though.
Again, thank you everyone who has replied
I'm going to buy a Ferrari and start racing now. Sometime in the future I'll get training on how to drive a high performance race car, but right now I need the car. That doesn't make much sense to me, getting a weapon to carry right now without training is just asking for trouble. If you don't have to use it, no problem. If you get into a bad situation and make a mistake, you will pay for that the rest of your life. How much time will you have then?