sorry for my wife's laughing
it's okay, fixed em. lol.
Originally Posted by ponzer04
sorry i'm posting so slow but my computer sucks at uploading pictures to Photobucket.
I'm glad you figured out that I was laughing at the photos not coming up, and not the shooting itself. Good job.
Originally Posted by ZachRabbit
Taurus PT709 (i think it was compact), 10 rounds PMI Bronze 115gr, 25FT....1st round of shooting.
Taurus PT709 (i think it was compact), 10 rounds PMI Bronze 115gr, 25FT....suckin it up. haha. the two rounds stacked in the mid to high area of the 7 ring were me using my right eye instead of my left, just to try it out, and see if i happened to do any better....no dice, haha. i went back to my left eye and shot way better....if you can call it good, i just didn't particularly like how this gun shot. don't know if it was because the adrenaline and excitement was starting to kick in, or whether i just really wasn't feeling the gun in my subconscious....either way pretty sucky spread. haha.
Next we have the Ruger SR9c....i didn't know if i would enjoy shooting this gun or not, but i actually kind of liked it. kind of light compared to the other guns i tried, in my opinion, not as light as the Taurus IIRC, but either way, my shots weren't too bad.
Ruger SR9c, PMI Bronze 115gr, 25FT....do believe this is my first attempt:
Ruger SR9c, PMI Bronze 115gr, 25FT....second attempt:
haha, yeah i figured you saw the links instead of pictures the first time.
Originally Posted by Holly
either way i could understand if you were laughin at me cause i'm a newbie :P hahaha.
next was the Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm....honestly i wasn't even going to shoot this gun, because i didn't know if i would like it or not.... but i asked for it anyway, for the heck of it... and i'm glad i shot it, because i did pretty freakin well with it, for my first round of shooting with it (there wasn't a second round though).
Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm, PMI Bronze 115gr (10 rounds i believe), 25FT:
and finally, i finished up with 12-13 more rounds on the Glock 19. i probably should have tried another gun, but i liked how it shot so i decided to get some more trigger time with it. i forget which gun they suggested i try before that. i may go back and try the gun they suggested, i don't know.
Glock 19mm Gen3, PMI Bronze 115gr, 25FT
I'm not sure what happened here, maybe i wasn't paying attention to what i was doing or something....We'll just say i was goin' for the jugular
And some lady let me shoot a Smith & Wesson .22 while she watched her husband sight his .22 scope in. haha. just handed me a handful of bullets and a target lol. so i gladly loaded up and plinked around haha:
Hey, ponzer, be nice! You're not really following the point to all this. Perhaps if you were to think more and emote less more board members (and me, too) might be spared your dull witticisms. Here, I'll try to explain things a little better for you:
Originally Posted by ponzer04
One person says that, 'Your safety is between your ears'; and another person replies that, 'Your brain can't be relied upon to keep you out of trouble with a gun ALL of the time' - Which is, of course, true! Whether you look at the problem of gun safety from either a philosophical or a pragmatic viewpoint certain things should stand out.
Overconfidence in the powers of the mind is one of the leading causes of gun accidents. I see it all of the time - All of the time! Take it from an old range safety officer:
IT’S NOT YOUR MIND THAT’S GOING TO KEEP YOU SAFE AROUND ANY, ‘SUDDEN DEATH DEVICE’ LIKE A FIREARM; INSTEAD, YOUR PERSONAL SAFETY - AND THAT OF OTHERS - DEPENDS UPON YOUR ACQUIRED HABITS, HOW DEEPLY INGRAINED THOSE HABITS ARE INTO YOUR OTHER CUSTOMARY BEHAVIORS, AND (FINALLY) A LOT OF GOOD OLD FASHIONED LUCK.
Gun safety is not, or shouldn't be a, 'mental process'. Really effective gun safety should be largely habitual, and with little or no conscious thought actually taking place. Hey, I watch people goof with guns just about every week of my life; well, certainly on those weeks when I’m on or behind a firing line. Our local range is, what shall I say, ‘over-managed’ for safety. There are more range safety officers than actually needed; these RO’s are frequently accused of being too attentive, even too intrusive; and if I’ve heard the complaint that all this extra watchfulness, ‘spoils the fun’ once, I’ve heard it a dozen times.
So what do some of these overconfident shooters - the ones who honestly believe that their, ‘safety is between their ears’ do? They continue to periodically shoot themselves and for the most curious (to my mind, incomprehensible) of reasons. If these guys don’t shoot themselves or someone else while they’re on the line then they’ll do it while they’re packing up behind the line and while putting their guns away!
I’ve seen people shot. Hell, I’ve been shot - Just never permanently! I’ve had acquaintances shot, too. What were the causes? I’ve thought about this subject a lot; and, I got ‘a tell you, the attitude that, ‘Your safety is between your ears’ is - in my considered opinion - one of the leading causes behind firearm accidents. Overconfidence in the powers of the mind is every bit as dangerous as overconfidence in one’s own physical abilities.
The way I’ve come to see things there are several leading causes to gun accidents: overconfidence, arrogant impatience, and careless impulses. (I’m not going to exchange, ‘war stories’ with you; however, I’ve seen all of these all too human characteristics in action on far too many different occasions.) Do you have any idea what I’m talking about, Lad? You know, kind ‘a like the petulant reaction you’ve already taken to my initial remarks.
Were you a less impulsive, less overconfident, sort of person, you would have read more, reflected more, and emoted less; but I can tell that’s not your style; and, know what, I am absolutely positive that this (intellectual?) arrogance on your part also places you at risk of being more likely to have an accident with a firearm. (You should listen to an older man!)
Yes, I do take exception to the oft repeated internet wisecrack, ‘Your safety is between your ears.’ Why? Because I’ve got too many years of public firing line experience to believe it - That’s why! In my experience it’s exactly this sort of, ‘excessive ego’ that will get a person with a gun into more sudden trouble than he ever might have previously imagined. You’ve accused me of, ‘ranting up some dumb stuff’. Well, Laddie, all I can say is that, obviously, you’ve still got a lot more to see and a lot more to learn about, both, people and guns.
I drill into my own students’ heads (and I do mean, literally, ‘drill’) the ideas that, before anything else, it’s your ingrained personal safety habits and habitual gun handling skills that really keep you safe while you’re using a firearm. The moment a shooter begins to feel that, ‘his safety is between his ears’ he’s in trouble; and so are all others around him! It’s not enough to, ‘know’. Gun safety habits need to be thoroughly inculcated into a shooter’s psyche up to the point where safe gun handling behaviors and reactions are actually ingrained habitual responses.
You, probably, don’t see - or haven’t seen - the kinds of egregious firearms handling behaviors I find all too common and that I’m talking about, here. Too bad! While you think I’m, ‘ranting up some dumb stuff’ what I’ve really been doing is offering you the advice of an older man who never wants to see or hear about another incredibly dumb (read, ‘egotistical’) firearms accident taking place again. (But we, both, know that’s never going to happen. Now, don’t we!)
So, how about you, ‘getting off your high horse’ and keeping a civil tongue in your head. I didn't address you that way; and you shouldn't have addressed me like that, either. Think more, and emote less. It’s NOT about personality; it’s not about personal opinions or attitude. Instead it’s all about people staying safe while there are loaded guns in their hands. I’ll tell you one more time: Overconfidence in the powers of the mind is, in my considered opinion, more deadly than bullets. Your safety is NOT, ‘between your ears’. (Got it, Laddie?)
Your primary safety is being smart. But as everyone knows there are plenty of old, smart guys who forget to zip up their fly...so there is a down-side to experience.
I consider my Glock to be as safe as my revolver. It uses a lighter trigger but offsets that with the trigger safety. So I call them even.
Glocks and revolvers (and some other autos) enjoy the advantage of not having any drill except pulling the trigger. In a high stress situation I consider that an advantage.
I think the bigger problem is the guy who shoots a 1911 and a DAO. This will result in a "divided reflex". It will slow down the process of releasing the safety on the 1911, and it will put at risk of a accidental discharge on the 1911 due to being used to the DAO trigger pull. In my opinion you should carry one or the other, but never carry both (at the same time or at different times). Even with adequate training the divided reflex will (according to what I've read) cost you 1/10th of a second in reaction time. Not much time when you are boiling an egg, but a lifetime if you are drawing your weapon.
i'll agree with a couple things you just said there (can't agree nor disagree with the Glock-revolver thing cause i don't own nor have i ever shot a revolver)
Originally Posted by Packard
i definitely think Glock is an EXCELLENT carry gun. like you said, all you gotta do is present and pull the trigger. boom. if you're a good enough shot, your problem is solved just as quick as it started.
i've not shot a 1911. although i'd like to have one. i don't really know what you're trying to explain here, but i will definitely say that i agree with what you're saying.......if i'm going to carry and actually use my firearm i want it to be as quick as i can whip it out if they're going to shoot me. and in situations like that, seconds feel like hours.
i will agree with this....gun safety should be "habit"....nature....it only took me a little bit to get this into habit, but walking to the range, i won't even keep the magazine in a gun. i make sure it's empty, then release the magazine, lock the slide back, and physically and visually make sure there aren't any bullets in the gun.
Originally Posted by Glock Doctor
then after shooting it, i rack the slide about 3-4 times and check visually and physically again.
now i don't know if that's completely proper gun safety but for me, i just like to check as many times as possible.
i ALWAYS point the gun downrange, if i'm clearing a jam.
i ALWAYS point the gun away from people...(that should be a "DUH")
i would love to go to a conceal & carry class, and a shooting class.....but first i would like to buy my handgun.
looks like you need to buy the G19 which you are best with
and not surprising - it is a huge world leader in sales and popularity
Years ago car manufacturers produced extra wide brake pedals that you could use with either foot (with an automatic tranny). They were outlawed because of the divided reflex issue. So that is a real issue.
I read once that (I paraphrase from memory) "Amateurs practice until they get it right; professionals practice until they can't get it wrong."
So practice like a pro.
I have a 10 meter competition pellet gun. It has a 1 pound trigger pull and no safety. I also have a "double action" CO2 gun with a 15+ pound pull. I always shoot the 10 meter gun first or I will accidentally fire the 10 meter gun before I intended.
The same issue exists between a 3 or 4 pound pull on a 1911 and a 14 pound pull on a J-frame snub nose revolver.
haha, yeah i'm definitely leaning towards that as my first purchase.
Originally Posted by hideit
there's still some other guns out there at local ranges for rental. so my testing really isn't over necessarily, but it's going to be hard to beat those first couple targets i shot with the G19. i mean i tried to shoot all the guns the same. line up the shot, wait a second and steady, then shoot. and i don't know what was up with me and that Taurus, but i just could not get a good pattern whatsoever. it looked like my pattern at 40FT with the Glock, lol.
that M&P was a close second though, i do believe i'll be giving that a try when i go up to the range again.
i think i'm allowed to try them side-by-side, so i think i'll shoot 25 rounds through the M&P, and then 25 rounds through the G19, and see what we come up with, haha.
definitely going to be practicing as much as i can afford. the range is about 50mins away, so it'll be hard to afford that like every week or whatever. maybe i can find a place to shoot that's closer. we'll see.
Originally Posted by Packard
and yeah, i think i get what you're saying.
going to the range tomorrow to shoot the Glock 19 and the Smith & Wesson M&P!!!! i mmmmmay throw in the Ruger again just to see if i like it better somehow....but i think the choice is going to be between the Glock and the M&P.
i may even bump up to a .40 or .45 to see how i shoot with those, since my patterns weren't bad with the 9mm. but i'd really like to be proficient with a 9mm first.
My old range was almost an hour away and I went on Saturdays. I just joined a local club and the range is 8 to 11 minutes away in the evenings. Weekend (days) are out because they are usually booked for competitions. But the nights are still open. So I might have to buy a .22 to keep my ammo expenses in line.
Originally Posted by ZachRabbit
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