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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    A few points:

    Always try to use the best tool for the job. In this case pepper spray is most likely to have a satisfactory outcome.

    In New York at least, a dog is "simple property", you cannot defend it and if you damage it you are responsible for the cost to replace.

    If you are defending yourself or another person you would probably not be responsible for the replacement costs.

    Despite the legal definition of "simple property" most owners do not consider the dog simple property, but rather a member of the family. If you live in a state that allows most people to carry a weapon, then there is the risk that the dog's owner is armed too. Another issue to consider.

    If you are irresponsible in your actions you may have problems with the ASPCA and others. In many states the ASPCA has enforcement powers.

    If you can read lips as I can you can be in a very difficult spot. I saw a guy with a pit bull release the dog and say "get him". I was the only one who "heard" this besides the dog. In that case the owner is the perp and the dog is his weapon. Who do you shoot?

    On the practical side, dogs are very easy to cold cock. They knock out easier than a boxer with a glass jaw. I've seen this demonstrated and I will outline the technique.

    First you have to understand that if you are paralyzed by fear when a dog attacks you have already lost the battle. Run for safety.

    Trained attack dogs are trained to "go high", that is they do not bite at the legs. They will always attack the leading arm. So if you are pointing a gun at them they will attack the gun hand.

    If you hit a dog under the chin with a strong upward motion you will knock them out.

    The technique is to present your weak hand as a target. When the dog is mid-air move your weak hand back and sweep up with your strong hand striking the dog under the chin with your forearm. The dog will go down like a ton of bricks and it will look like you've killed it. It will come to shortly go get to safety.

    If you are intent on shooting the dog you need to keep the gun hand close to your body and present the weak hand as a target. Once the dog is mid-air or actually on your weak arm pull the trigger being careful not to shoot yourself in the arm.

    In all cases I would opt for the single best tool for the job. That might include a bludgeon, pepper spray or jumping on the roof of a car.

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    I tend to think that a CCW is their for an attack that is life threatening and unexpected. If I truely expected to be attacked on a walk I think I would choose not to go on that walk. If I pull a CCW it's because I have no choice and couldn't have anticipated the perp who is attacking me or mine. If I ever do use lethal force I should be prepared to explain in court why I had to use lethal force to defend myself and my family. I just don't think that shooting a dog that is attacking my dog reaches the necessary level for using lethal force. I would much prefer to use pepper spray or a tazer on a nuisance animal. I'm not the authority on this and this is just my opinion, but maybe it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdw68 View Post
    I tend to think that a CCW is their for an attack that is life threatening and unexpected. If I truely expected to be attacked on a walk I think I would choose not to go on that walk.
    My point, exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdw68 View Post
    I tend to think that a CCW is their for an attack that is life threatening and unexpected. If I truely expected to be attacked on a walk I think I would choose not to go on that walk. If I pull a CCW it's because I have no choice and couldn't have anticipated the perp who is attacking me or mine. If I ever do use lethal force I should be prepared to explain in court why I had to use lethal force to defend myself and my family. I just don't think that shooting a dog that is attacking my dog reaches the necessary level for using lethal force. I would much prefer to use pepper spray or a tazer on a nuisance animal. I'm not the authority on this and this is just my opinion, but maybe it helps.
    Of course we aren’t going to go on a walk where we know it's dangerous. So you’re walking your dog in your area and a big dog gets loose and attacks you and your dog and you pepper spray him while his is charging you at 20 MPH and the pepper spray does not stop him. So while he is killing your dog you reach down to grab the dog and he bits you and over powers you. So don't you think it might be a good idea to have a 380 in a back holster for a backup. If you don't think this could happen you can bet you life on it but I wouldn't take that bet. Anyway I'm buying a cattle prod but would still like a backup. I'm posting this for advice because after the pitt bull attack I'm scared to walk my dog again and I just want to feel and be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostsoul62 View Post
    Of course we aren’t going to go on a walk where we know it's dangerous. So you’re walking your dog in your area and a big dog gets loose and attacks you and your dog and you pepper spray him while his is charging you at 20 MPH and the pepper spray does not stop him. So while he is killing your dog you reach down to grab the dog and he bits you and over powers you. So don't you think it might be a good idea to have a 380 in a back holster for a backup. If you don't think this could happen you can bet you life on it but I wouldn't take that bet. Anyway I'm buying a cattle prod but would still like a backup. I'm posting this for advice because after the pitt bull attack I'm scared to walk my dog again and I just want to feel and be safe.
    so based on your original post i think it is safe to assume that your experience with guns and shooting is minimal at best and probably non-existent..... and now you want to shoot a 20mph moving target that may or may not be attacking you or your dog while other people are in the immediate area..... i restate my first post..... get a lawyer, now for totally different reasons ..... instead of a civil lawyer, look into a defense attorney

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell View Post
    so based on your original post i think it is safe to assume that your experience with guns and shooting is minimal at best and probably non-existent..... and now you want to shoot a 20mph moving target that may or may not be attacking you or your dog while other people are in the immediate area..... i restate my first post..... get a lawyer, now for totally different reasons ..... instead of a civil lawyer, look into a defense attorney
    I think you need to read the post more closely.

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    i think you have an agenda and are looking for validation....i have given the best advice i can, now i am out.

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    I believe the bear frm hell. is saying that going out on a walk planning on shooting a dog and not taking less drastic steps first is not a grand idea...

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    so based on your original post i think it is safe to assume that your experience with guns and shooting is minimal at best and probably non-existent
    Incorrect
    and now you want to shoot a 20mph moving target that may or may not be attacking you or your dog while other people are in the immediate area
    Incorrect again
    My first post was posted when I was upset. If you read my last post you will see that a gun will be use as a backup only or better put in a life threating situation. It sounds to me that people like to read the wrost in a post but that is human nature

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    forgive me, i made the assumption that you said what you meant.....

    Quote Originally Posted by lostsoul62 View Post
    ........What would be a good hand gun for this. I don't want to shoot though the attacking dog and shoot my own dog. I also don't have a problem shoting the attacking dog 3 or 4 times so an auto which is smaller than a revolver and faster. Any suggestions?


    i assumed that since you asked about the best gun to shoot the dog with without shooting your dog that you
    A) wanted to shoot the other dog and
    B) you were not familiar with guns enough to know that any gun CAN go thru the bad dog and into the good dog or the bad dogs owner or anyone else in the area (this lack of basic gun safety lead me to make the assumption)

    Quote Originally Posted by lostsoul62 View Post
    ....while his is charging you at 20 MPH and the pepper spray does not stop him. So while he is killing your dog you reach down to grab the dog and he bits you and over powers you.....
    and i assumed that this scenario is your agenda.... again, my mistake for using your own words to form an opinion of your motive for inquiry.... validation of the agenda

    i dont think the worst of people, i watch and listen and form an opinion based on what they say do and say.

    again, i am sorry that i took your words in context..... i shall work on my esp so i can get the true meaning next time

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    Ah! Sorry! I couldn't help myself...

    *ashamed*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holly View Post
    *ashamed*
    my new found use of esp tells me otherwise

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    Busted!

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    Just a note....I have been assured that wasp spray....cheap and plentiful...will stop humans faster and more effectively than pepperspray. Perhaps it works the same for dogs. It also has a much better range than a can of pepperspray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonnymouse View Post
    Just a note....I have been assured that wasp spray....cheap and plentiful...will stop humans faster and more effectively than pepperspray. Perhaps it works the same for dogs. It also has a much better range than a can of pepperspray.
    That chain email going around again? Just say no to forwards....and Wasp Spray for defensive purposes...unless your defending against wasps. It may work, it may not. Pepper/OC Spray has been tested on humans for it's effect. Wasp spray has not.

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    I would agree and be informed as to what constitutes use of deadly force on a domestic animal. Your pet in all likelyhood would be considered property, I'd contact the DA or local Sheriffs office to determine what charges if any, or arrest may take place even if your dog is attacked by this 2 time offender. When I grew up neighborhood dogs would commonly fight, one time however a neighbor shot into the ground to break up a dog fight. Now, if the pitbull attacks you that would be a different story. Does your jurisdiction have a leash law in effect and is it possible you may be able to contact animal control or something to that effect. Likewise a taser I've heard has good effect on dogs and may be something to consider over dispatching a dog with a firearm in the neighborhood with a probability of it escalating to a gun fight between you and the idiot that owns the pitbull. I agree with VA a handgun may not be your best option until you know for a fact that you will not be held accountable for criminal charges, civil lawsuit, or perhaps arrest. If you do shoot it I'd go at least with a 9mm and try to place them through the lungs, or a good spine shot as their heads are hard as hell and a probability of ricchochet may be possible.

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    I am a huge fan of Pits as they are the best PEOPLE dogs. I have one myself and wouldn't trade him out.

    That being said, there are TONS of morons that own these dogs. If I read correctly, this is happening on your property. On or off your property, your best bet is some strong mace, one that streams instead of a poofy spray. That should surely stop, or at least occupy him enough to get away. Even without an attack, right now or in the morning, simply file a complaint against the person if you can. If you already have complaints on record, you may be able to have the dog taken away.

    I hate to say it, but the dog is better off being put down in the pound than going out in a hail of bullets.
    My parting words are that a .40 head shot would work, and a .44 chest shot if you ABSOLUTELY have to for your safety.
    I knew a person, long and short of it, the offender attacked this person, and he sent his Pit - the dog took 4 clocks to the head with an aluminum bat and still grabbed the guy's arm and took him down text book.
    Take that for what you will.

    Good Luck
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    PS!!
    You should fashion or buy a "break" stick. If you need to and are brave enough, when the pit bites and holds your dog, the break stick is wedged in between his teeth on the side of his mouth, it pries his mouth open. Even if the dog is shot dead, you may still need a tool like this to pry his jaws a bit.
    And no they don't get lock jaw - it's a myth

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    Quote Originally Posted by inssane View Post
    And no they don't get lock jaw - it's a myth

    Good to know

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