You've said this before. But my PPKS was fine. I don't think the "S" variant had any influence over the trigger pull; it related to magazine capacity. I bought mine in the late 1980s and it was produced in Portugal (but said "made in Germany").
Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1
Perhaps earlier or later versions behaved differently. My gun was accurate and easy to shoot. It had a nice grip that fit my hand well, and the angle of the grip and the trigger reach were good too. It was always reliable with every brand of ammo I used (but there were far fewer ammo makers back then).
I thought it was a very good back up gun for ankle carry or a primary deep concealment weapon. (In the 1980s there were really no small 9mm weapons available; the small 9s are a recent developement.)
Correction, YOUR PPK has a horrible trigger. My wife bought herself a PPK/S, I was pleasantly surprised at how good it was.
The PPK is a terrible pistol. It has a horrid trigger.
To the original point: You might wish to examine the "compact" range from the various makers. Small enough to be controllable, yet large enough to be a decent range gun.
CZ 75 compact or something of that nature.
Glocks- grips, love em or hate em. No middle ground.
You might do well to look at the S&W M&P series or any others that feature an interchangeable back strap.
Spend some quality time at a gun shop with a large inventory and see what you like. Take your time, get it right.
Stay away from the itty bitty guns unless you get to shoot it first. Typically they are unpleasant to shoot.
I have a Glock 26 it's what I carry. I love it. I once sold a 26 and missed it so much i bought another. Great carry gun, great range gun. Very reliable as well and practically invisible under on my belt.
I would also suggest the CW9, This is a fine weapon that is built very solidly and is small and accurate. If the LC9 fits you pretty good the CW9 Kahr will surprise you how good it feels. The SR9c is also a pretty dang good suggestion, if the SR9 is one you like the SR9c may be just the ticket. The G26 is a nice weapon tried and true and easy to find! Some one suggested teh CZ 75b compact, It is a bit heavy but will last you for ever and your boyfriend will be jealous of your weapon.
Originally Posted by jfrey
I have kind of talked in circles and picking a gun is a very personal thing I own every gun I mentioned here and if I were a 95 pound women I would buy the CW9. Heck I am a 190 lb man and I own and carry one almost every day of the summer. Winter I switch over to the CZ. Hold the CW9 you won't be sorry!
Go to a range that rents guns and try several of the suggestions made here. Shoot before you buy. Then decide on a Glock - either the 26 or the 19; their size and weight are quite close, they have what I think are great triggers but that can be easily modifed to your taste, are accurate, super reliable, and easy to strip and clean. The smaller single stack 9's like the PM9 or the LC9 are small and light but not nearly as much fun to shoot as the Glocks. Legend has it that the FBI issued the Glock 19 for it's female agents - not sure if that is true or not but I can understand why they would do it.
If a Glock 19 or 26 fits your hand, that would be a great choice. Being double stack models, though, they probably are not any better fit for your hand than the SR-9 you tried. If that is the case, I think you are left with the option of going single stack (magazine).
I think a good choice would be the Kahr K-9, which is the all steel, 'smoothed up' version of the CW-9, mentioned above. The reason I would recommend it over the CW-9 is that it is slightly more suitable as a range gun than the CW, owing to its increased weight making the recoil a little bit gentler.
I don't think recoil is a big factor, though, because you sound like a pretty tough gal, with your comment that you would go up (in power), but not down...a wise choice, I think. The single stack subcompacts are not the best range guns, but they are OK if you do most of your practice with weaker loads, and great for concealed carry, using heavier loads. I have now, or have had four different Kahrs, and they are great little pistols that fit the small hand very well. The K40 I own now is my favorite carry gun. It is too small for my largish hands, but I have adapted to it well enough to be fairly consistently accurate at shorter ranges (7-10 yards)
There are other quality subcompacts in 9mm - Sigs, HKs and such, but I have little or no experience with them, because once I shot the Kahrs, I looked no further.
I took a look at one of the women's hand gun sites and in their threads (all by women) they use the same guns we guys use. They seem to favor .45s over other weapons but they cover the entire panopoly of weapons that you see out there. See: Women & Guns :: View Forum - Women & Guns
My GF has rather small hands and we discovered that she could handle 9mm in my Sig 226 but the grips were simply too large for her to get comfortable with. After firing a dozen different models she finally settled on the Ruger LCP but the Ruger LC9 was a very close 2nd. She felt the snap of the 9mm in the small frame was just a bit much for her at this time. After talking it over we decided that 7 well placed shots of .380 was better than 8 scattered shots of 9mm.
If we get CCW here in IL i'm going to buy a LC9 for myself and the GF will most likely step up to one as well. If you have not shot the LC9 I would recommend that you give it a try. The snap might be just fine for you. Having shot it myself for about 50 rounds I'm very happy with it and comfortable it will perform if needed.
i find it amazing no one suggested a Kimber. My wife has small hands and just loves the feel of a Kimber. (can't afford to buy one right now) I carry a Ruger P95 and my wife (with her small hands) loves to shoot it.
My gf has small hands. She likes her S&W M&P9. She also likes shooting my XDm and CZ-75b.
You should go someplace where they have a S&W M&P 9c. That is the compact version of their 9mm auto. It is about 3/4 the size of the full-size M&P. These M&P guns all come with adjustable grips. You open the grip and find two additional size inserts that change the width and length of the grip. Ask the salesperson to open the grip for you as it is a little tricky. Once you get the right grip you'll be in business. Their price is generally under $500.
My 2 Daughters experienced the same thing small hands hard choices to make since there is so many guns out there, Now My daughters keep in mind Their dad Is a Instructor And I must say I have a nice collection in my gun safe. lol, neverless I worked with them 2 daughters different personalities, One chose a semi-auto the other chose a revolver, My oldest I bought her a taurus mill pro PT-111 9mm she already put 500 rds through it, my youngest has a Taurus 2 inch snub nose 357 mag She keeps 38spl+ps in it its a 7 shot and the semi auto is 12 rds
now to show the difference my oldest got mad at my youngest cause she put 7 rds at 15 yrds in the x well she cut the x off the target, the oldest hit the x 3 times out of 12 shots. but its just what feels the best is how well you will be with it, alot of people suggested go to place that actually rents guns try all you can find the one that you feel the most comfortable with and the one that you can handle the recoil and I think you will know what suits you its hard to say what is best for me will not be best for you. good luck on finding the one that fits you But they are out there Just try alot before just going to buy one in a hurry and end up being unhappy later. its like car buying you have to test ride them first before putting hard earned money into them.
I too am new to the forum.... but I'll wade right in ....
This is strictly my opinion, and has worked in many years of firearms training, and for men and ladies alike. Buy a handgun just like you would buy a pair of shoes. If Ol' Joe over here says he likes Charlie China tennis shoes, and you're looking for a new pair of shoes, do you run out and buy Joe's pick, just because HE likes 'em? Probably not. If a new shooter is asking what to buy for a carry gun, it doesn't matter what works for me, or anyone else. I suggest telling that new shooter to go to many gun shops, and/or gun shows, and handle all the guns they can get hold of. Just like they would try on shoes. Before long they'll be able to make a list of guns that feel ok, pretty good, real good, and "that really feels great in my hands". The last two are the ones to pursue, and here's why I say that....
If a given handgun doesn't feel "right" in your hands, you'll not shoot it enough to become proficient with it, because it's not comfortable, and you won't like shooting it. Just like you rarely wear shoes that are UNcomfortable. If you're not gonna become proficient with it, save your money, and buy a ball bat to carry. With proper training, and fundamentals, he/she can learn to shoot almost any handgun, or any caliber. Very few folks can re-train their hands to make just any handgun feel comfortable. The last suggestion.........proper shooting techinques, practiced slowly, but proficiently, will breed speed. Do it slowly, and do it the right way, every time.......If you practice speed first, and introduce less efficient techniques into your training, you'll have to do it all over again to get it right.
By the way..... anyone who introduces a new shooter to our pastime by having them start with a large-caliber handgun, makes a very poor decision. Yes, some folks do ok starting out with large calibers, but the vast majority will not continue to shoot if their very 1st experience is with .50 S&W. Start with a .22 caliber something, and as your technique/accuracy improves, work up from there. Caliber doesn't count until after you can hit your target.
There always will be a trade-off..... light weight, more recoil...... shorter barrel, more recoil... just sayin....
Again, just my ramblings.... but they work for me...
All of your comments are gold. Thank you so much! I've gotten a lot of incredible suggestions, and I'm still doing a lot of research. I'm going to continue to search until I find the one that I really think is going to work. I don't want to buy it and then realize I made a mistake. I may not be able to shoot the gun before I buy it, but I will know the reviews on it and I will certainly know the comfort of it in my hand.
I'm currently eyeing the glocks. A 19 or a 26, but like a few of you have said, it just may not fit my hand. I haven't had time lately to go try one out.
If the 19 fits my hand, I'll snatch it in a heartbeat. But I have a feeling it's not going to since it's double stack and a 9mm.
We shall see, and I will certainly let you all know whenever I find the right one! Until then I'm going to continue to play around with my bf's 9mm and my dad's .40
I've heard the same as far as fitting womens hands well over the slightly thicker glocks. Here's a review from her perspective.
Originally Posted by Ala Tom
Smith & Wesson M&P 9c - Full Review of an Exceptional Pistol - YouTube
So I went to my local pawn and gun shop today and I looked at several of the guns you guys recommended for me. I tried the glock 19 first, because that is the one I most wanted, but unfortunately it was too big for my hand. Every glock I tried was just too big (grip-wise). So those are just out of the question.
I narrowed my selection down to three guns that actually felt comfortable in my hand. There was the kahr 9c, the m&p 9c, and the sr9c.
Then I threw out the kahr because of it's low magazine capacity.
Before I left, I decided that of the m&P and the sr9, the m&p 9c just felt more comfortable in my hand, and with that small grip, it fit perfectly. I'm telling you, my hands are just tiny.
I've been doing research on the m&p just to be sure that's the one to get. I've seen nothing but good reviews. Many would even buy it before they'd buy a glock 26, which I thought was impressive.
Any other thoughts on the m&p 9c? I may have missed an earlier comment about it.
My gf will put 50 rounds into a jagged hole about the size of the bottom of a soda can from 7 yards out using her M&P 9c. Just do it.
I rarely make guarantees, especially to strangers. But here I will make a guarantee. No matter what gun you buy now, it won't be the last gun you ever buy. If your experience runs true to course you will buy, try, and re-sell several before you find the one that really works for you.
This is not a marriage. If it does not work out well for you, try another. Of course you don't want to go blindly into gun store and buy the first thing that looks sexy. So your research is well-founded. But keep in the back of your mind that this is not a forever deal--until death do you part.
Make an informed decision, shoot it for several months. If you feel it is not the right weapon for you after that time, trade it in and get something else.
Personally I would never own a glock, but having said that, I know that millions of folks love them. You may want to check out Gripreductions.com. This may provide the answer to all your firearms needs. I have seen many good reviews of this business.
Originally Posted by propellerhead
Packard, you make a good point. I suppose I'm just so excited about my first gun that I am just so desperately finding one that I KNOW I'll like. But you're totally right. It's not a marriage like I'm acting like it is.
all64, thanks for this website. I had no idea there was anything like that out there! Very very useful
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