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    First pistol purchase .40?

    Hello i am new to this, shopping around for a home/self defense handgun. I am open to all and any suggestions. I own a .17 rimfire varment gun and have shot .22 pistols and other rifles in the past. I am considering a more serious pistol due to the increased crime rate and general shooting range interests. I have been browsing and have been considering a .40, .38, or a 9mm. From my reading I would like a 40. Due to power and not too expensive ammo.

    Guns that have caught my eye (no particular order):

    1. Springfield XDM .40

    2. Glock 23 or 27

    3. Kahr p40 .40 or tp40

    4. Steyr M40-A1 .40

    5. Walther p99 .40

    Has anyone used or have suggestions of these guns or othwr suggestions to guns that are similar?
    Thanks for your time to help me shop around!

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    Many will disagree, but I would suggest getting a 9mm over the .40. I've seen many a new shooter get a .40 (and no instruction) end up developing horrible flinching issues. Get the 9mm, get some training, doesn't have to be ninja academy stuff, but a local class at the range etc. is a good start. All your major service calibers (9mm, .40, .45 etc.) perform pretty darn close to one another when using modern jacked hollow points of reputable manufacture.

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    Yeah I would consider a 9mm also, I'm just looking for a few guns to go test shoot. Any suggestions for a good 9mm also? I have a main interest in .40s and 9mm from $400- $900. I'm stuck because the more I look the more guns I find that seem exceptional for what I need. I don't want to up and buy a gun because its pretty or get one that is a waiste of money etc. I want a good solid life-time gun for the range, defense, and possible CC in the future. Thanks again for the advice!

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    You can get a SIG P239 or P229 in 9mm for under $900.00. They are about as trouble free as a combat handgun gets.

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    Do you live close to a range that rents guns to try? What everything really boils down to is you. The gun has to feel good in your hands. The trigger has to feel right for you. You have to be able to accurately shoot the firearm. As said above the .40 kicks a little, I prefer the 9mm over .40 (personal preference). If you practice with it (correctly with some training) you will become a great shot. I can say Glock and someone else will say sig, spingfiled, ruger, whatever. There are tons of manufacturers that make quality firearms. You have to find what works for you. I will be happy to discuss my preferences with you if you wish.

    Good Luck!
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    I think there are a few shops nearby I'm checking into it if they will allow me to rent them or not. I will be going to them here soon. I imagine they do, I live in west virginia there are usually guns of all sorts here Haha. I was trying to narrow the search down to which guns to ask to look at and rent. I dont want to rent a gun if it isn't worth the time. Any suggestions on common well made .40s or 9mm to ask for or look into? At an uneducated look, the pistols above especially the Steyr and the Springfield catch my eye. Anyone have any dealings with them or opinions?

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    I purchased a Kahr CM 9 for $399. I believe for the money it is very good firearm. Shooting 9 mm is less than 40. I use 124 Gold Dot +p short barrel ammo for self defense which is more than enough power to stop a bad guy. The Kahr is just slighty larger than a 380 and the best part is the trigger is the safety. I felt if I need a gun for self defense I don't want t worry about a safety or a hammer.

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    glock 23 or 27. i have used the 27 extensively as it is my carry gun. 23 is the same thing only a little bigger and heavier.

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    Just like coebam is telling you,Rent if you can. So you know what is best for you. There is a lot of nice pistols out there,And we all can say get this one,no get this one,no get this one. Now with a rifle we can say that,But a pistol we can not. As for me,My ccw is a g27 with, Trijicon night sights. Trijicon come with a 12 years warranty.

    Now like my wife,All the pistols she has shot. The one that she can shoot like a lady pro lol. Is the walther pk380. And that was her 15th pistol she test fried. So you just don't know in tell you go out their. And fire fire fire many pistols to know what works for you. PS--- If none work good for you.Get this Serbu Super Shorty 12 GA 6.5" barrel Shotgun. The SUPER-SHORTY 12-gauge shotgun Good luck And have fun.

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    The .40 S&W is fine for experienced shooters with a good combat grip. However, I know of several cases where new to handgun shooters bought the .40's and tried to shoot them one handed or with a 'cup-and-saucer' type two hand grip, and complained about muzzle flip. One person I know actually cut himself badly with the slide because he failed to control the gun.

    I avoided the .40 for a long time, because of all these stories, and the fact that a .45 ACP delivers approximately the same terminal results, and is quite pleasant to shoot. But I made a great trade for a Kahr K-40 and found that I actually liked it. There is no really noticeable muzzle flip with a proper grip.

    So, I say if you are still learning to shoot handguns, you will likely enjoy the 9mm more, and you can load it with ammo that gives up very little, if anything, to the .40 S&W. If you are an experienced shooter with good fundamentals, buy whatever you want.

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    To me the 9mm seems to be a smart choice for the ammo prices and getting more used to firing pistols. So far, for an uneducated guess the smart buy seems to be the Springfield XDM. For the price and quality. I was looking at the .40 cal at first but I notice they offer a 9mm. Does anyone know anything bad about these guns? I can't seem to find any bad feedback about them, could be a good thing haha. I don't need the best or craziest gun but a well rounded gun for protection and range time -I want to try and find the best gun for me.
    Any good 9mm sugestions? Thanks again

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    I like my XDM, it's been a reliable gun so far, a little big for carry but a great house/range gun.

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    Hold acouple to see what you like, the best you have picked out IMO are the Springfield XD and Glock, the grip angles are going to be different so that will be the determinant factor. I would stay away from Kahr for now if I were you as Glock and XD are known for their reliability and are the best entry level pistols IMO

    Just bought a Px4 Beretta today for 449 used, saw a new one for 499.00 plus you get a free holster if you buy a new one at sheels, was equal to the XDs and Glock plus its def more comfortable then both

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    How about that beretta?? Do you like it? Is that the called the "storm"? I hear awesome things. that was one I have marked in the buyers catalog, it was listed as much more than that. Good to hear!

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    P.s. jakeleinen, 9mm or .40?

    And thank you vamarine that info helps Im mainly considering a gun for the house and the range. CCW in the near future maybe, I want to get a little more experience before I jump into that.

    Keep up the posts they are helping thanks everyone!

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    I personally own only 9mm because they are cheap to shoot, and I shoot lots of bullets. I also do not believe in the 9mm vs .40 thing. 9mm is just as good as .40 my opinion. .40 feels good to shoot, but I like extra capacity and cheap ammunition better. I do need a .40 eventually but I will probably have a .45 before I get a .40.

    Go with your gut, .40 isnt that much more expensive, but I love 9mm and dont make the reason you choose .40 over 9mm because of more "stopping power" its not really true (less your shooting at vehicles)

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    Yeah the 9mm seems like a very smart choice. I plan on going to the range to test to see which feels good or not. I have also been reading about the S&W VTAC and it seems like a really nice gun, anybody have experiences with them? it comes in a wide range of calibers.

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    Look at the Stoeger Cougar. Stoeger Industries is a subsidiary of Beretta. The Stoeger Cougars are made in Turkey using the same machinery that Beretta used to make the original Cougars. It is every bit the quality of the Beretta. The Stoeger 8000 in 9mm is identical to the Beretta Cougar L Type P (Cougar L slide, lighter barrel and beveled slide, but with a full-length magazine). The Cougar is a great gun for the money. They are available in 9mm, .40S&W, and .45ACP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    Many will disagree, but I would suggest getting a 9mm over the .40. I've seen many a new shooter get a .40 (and no instruction) end up developing horrible flinching issues. Get the 9mm, get some training, doesn't have to be ninja academy stuff, but a local class at the range etc. is a good start. All your major service calibers (9mm, .40, .45 etc.) perform pretty darn close to one another when using modern jacked hollow points of reputable manufacture.
    I wholeheartedly agree with VAMarine. I have a Glock 23 and I love it, however it was not my first firearm. Go with the 9mm, carry that awhile then you can either keep the 9mm or trade it in on the .40.

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    Okay, when I shoot a .45 I can feel every step in the cycle. I feel it hitbottom, I feel it pick up and chamber a new round, then I feel it hit the battery end, dip below the target and come back up. With a .40 it's a sudden explosion and the gun is ready to fire again. Now, I compete with .40--I like that. I have hundreds of thouseands of rounds downrange with it. But I wouldn't advise you to start there. It isn't that the recoil is harsh--it isn't. It's sudden. As JD said, if you don't have a flinch when you start with a .40, you'll have one after the first mag. <g>

    If you just have to have a .40, the HK USP is one of the softest recoiling versions that I've ever shot. The GLOCK 22 is next. For the LOVE OF GOD Don't do a GLOCK 27.

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