For what applications is the Taurus 45/410 combination?
Good for mtn. gun (protection vs. bear/cougar) or just a snake and people gun?
From my experience with it, it suffers from being the mixture of two things. This means its good at neither. The one thing it is good at is looking scary. Its a good intimidation piece like the desert eagle.
Hmmm... Do you mean to tell nuc that the Judge would intimidate a cougar?
Originally Posted by stonefly
If you used a Taurus Judge on an attacking animal, nuc, it probably would only make the animal that much angrier at you.
The Judge is a gimmick. It does nothing well...other than separating you from your money, of course.
Make mine a LeMat!
The Judge puts me in the mind of the Civil War LeMat. Today's reproduction from Italy fires 9 rounds of .44 ball and a single blast of 20 gauge buck. TEN ROUNDS WITHOUT A RELOAD!
LeMat Revolver, Pistols, Black Powder, Shooting : Cabelas.com
But seriously folks, S@W now has the Governor, mights well get that one if you gotta have one, taurus quality is too iffy for me.
Myself, I'll take the LeMat over either one of those!
Governor, just what the world needed.
The Smith & Wesson Governor revolver puts six rounds of customizable response under your control. Load with .410 2 1/2" shotshells, .45 ACP or .45 Colt
Methinks Mssrs. Smith @ Wesson 'ave gone bloody mad!!!
Originally Posted by Couch Potato
"Um, Governor, could I have a reprieve?"
"Interesting—That didn't hurt very much. Now it's my turn."
"Um, Mr. BG, may I have a reprieve..."
I wish somebody would hurry up and develop a .45 ACP shot cartridge that will cycle in any semi-auto, so we could lay the Judge issue to rest.
Assassins would love this weapon. With the shot shells: no ballistics and no spent shells. You'd have the CSI boys scratching their heads.
Other than that, I don't see much advantage to it. The fire power/size is equalled with a .40 caliber Glock and the Glock has more rounds and quicker reloads.
I'm not a big fan of the Judge.
I owned one and it just sat around after the initial range visit.
It's not a range gun.
It's not the best night table gun.
For me it wasn't the best of anything ... so I sold it.
Lot's of people wanted to buy it from me.
So at least it was easy to get rid of.
took me a while to come back through... meant that the judge intimidates the crap out of people. wouldnt do jack for a wild animal
Um, no, I think that assassins' victims would love it more, since it will do relatively little serious damage at any reasonable distance.
Originally Posted by Packard
Close-up into the face is another story...
Oh, come on, Eli—the Governor is made by S&W, and it's Scandium, so you know that it's gotta be better than the Judge.
Originally Posted by EliWolfe
After all, doesn't that Scandium stuff make the gun's bullets super-accurate?
Have any of you ever even tried out the Judge?With Federal handgun 000 Buckshot?
Until you own one and use the "right" ammo in it,well let's just say give me the Judge
with 000 Buckshot and the bad guy is in a world of trouble if in my house.Put the right ammo
in it and it's awesome.I have shot the Judge many times and I cannot tell you the pattern it holds and the damage it can do.Federal handgun 000 Buckshot and Remington Long Range #6's.
Good patterns.Awesome gun.
I really don't want to come across as a snob, and, no, I have never fired any Judge, with any load, ever.
Originally Posted by bayhawk2
Nevertheless, my personal experience and a little research brings up the following, somewhat discouraging, facts:
• The Federal Handgun Buckshot load is four (4) 000 pellets. Each pellet is 0.36" in diameter, and weighs 70 grains. The stated muzzle velocity of the load is 850fps, which means that, by the time the shot impacts the BG, it'll be going somewhat slower.
• Four 70-grain pellets equals 280 grains total "throw weight," but all four pellets will not hit all in the same place, so one cannot compare their effect to a single bullet from a .45 ACP or .45 "Long" Colt cartridge. One still has to look at each pellet's performance individually.
• One 70-grain pellet travelling at a mv of 850fps might impact at somewhere around 700fps. That compares to .32 ACP, but at slower impact speed. (The nearest .32 ACP round uses a 71-grain RN bullet going out at 905fps, yielding 129 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle.)
• I would expect that each 000 pellet might deliver as much as 70 foot-pounds of energy, or very slightly more. That seems to me to be insufficient for meaningful penetration, and it is penetration that does the job. Your bullets must penetrate to reach a vital area, and then they must stop there and deliver all of their momentum. Otherwise, the fight will not be stopped.
• Even at close range, the Judge delivers a pretty open pattern. Your hits will be wide-spaced. Maybe one of them will hit in an effective location, if you're lucky. But that hit will be pretty ineffective because it will not be a good penetrator.
• Therefore, the Judge will not deliver fight-stopping hits. QED
So far everything you have said is hearsay.I have the gun.I have shot it.Many times over.
My group of those (4 )-000 buckshot at 8 yards is just one big ugly hole.Not 4 holes all
over the place as you state.Not until 10 yards does it show the 4 shot pattern.About
the size of a grapefruit-maybe smaller.Mine is the 6 1/2 inch barrel,which may be
a part of the good groups.I have heard of good groups coming from the short
barrels also.As far as penetration?The penetration is through 3- 1 gallon jugs of
water at 8 yards.That's with a derringer .410-000 buckshot that held a group all the way through
those jugs at about the size of a tennis ball.Proof.Not hearsay.I don't think you are coming off as a snob.More like you think it should be the way you read it somewhere,and by over analyizing
on what you "think" it should be.Enough said.I know what the gun will do.Maybe you would too if you ever really shot one.
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