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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDog View Post
    ...I'm sure she has told you it's really not that bad...
    Quite the opposite. She will fire between 15 and 20 shots in practice, and then she has to stop because her hand hurts. (No, she doesn't use +P. We found cartridges that are very effective, but low in recoil.)
    The .38 Special's recoil is why she's experimenting with the two .380 ACP guns. I get the feeling that her final choice will be the Colt's M.1903/M.1908, but that remains to be seen.

    I gotta point out that Jean learned to shoot with a full-size Government Model in .45 ACP, and she is still very comfortable using it, even for extensive practice. The trouble is that it is almost bigger than she is, so there is no way she could ever conceal it on her small body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliWolfe View Post
    If I were to be looking for a .45ACP to conceal, I would save up till I could afford either the little Kimber or the EMP. Yes the price is steep, but after a year or so you will have forgotten the "pain" and have an ideal weapon for a lifetime. Of course, I am not known for being a good money manager when it comes to firearms!
    JMHO Eli
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    Just picked up a Kimber Pro Carry II and love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Quite the opposite. She will fire between 15 and 20 shots in practice, and then she has to stop because her hand hurts. (No, she doesn't use +P. We found cartridges that are very effective, but low in recoil.)
    The .38 Special's recoil is why she's experimenting with the two .380 ACP guns. I get the feeling that her final choice will be the Colt's M.1903/M.1908, but that remains to be seen.

    I gotta point out that Jean learned to shoot with a full-size Government Model in .45 ACP, and she is still very comfortable using it, even for extensive practice. The trouble is that it is almost bigger than she is, so there is no way she could ever conceal it on her small body.
    My Wife prefers the full size .45 also. She has a Ruger P345 and is quite proficient with it. Its her CCW.

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    Another vote for M&P45c- in your price range. I also carry a Colt Defender Plus-no longer available.

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    If I were looking for a concealable .45 that I could have dissapear and still be a good shooting reliable weapon even after reading the thread I still say the Kahr CW is the way I'd go. You really should go with what you are confident with.........The Kahr is a gun I shoot often and carry frequently. Thats not to say table gunsmithing an AMT or carrying a Kimber or any other 1911,r a wheel gun isnt right. I just like to know I can rely on my gun and I can rely on Kahrs.

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    Colt New Agent 45

    I carry a Colt New Agent 45 with Crimson Trace Grips for concealed carry. Very reliable and accurate for concealed carry.

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    Glock 36. Compare the specs to the 3" 1911s and the cost and I think you will pick this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDog View Post
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    If you are not a cop, you will never carry a .45 anything for too long. Beleive me. Over time, you will just not do that. Your comfort level will tell you it is impractical.

    If you are in a CCW state and want more then a knive in your pocket, I would suggest someting like a Beretta Bobcat .22 LR. That you can carry around without thinking about it. It has little to do with the caliber if you don't have the gun. If it is very small, you will always have it in the winter time. I'll always just be there. Very small pocket pistol. In the summer, I'm not sure.

    The .22 LR round can be nasty. You would not want to stand eight feet away from someone shooting three or four of them. So the heavy carry becomes a moot point, because you will probably not have it on you anyway. (smile)

    Most cops never shoot their guns, but carry them for thousands of hours. The likelyhood you will ever have to use your gun is nill. So it's not so much caliber, but do you have it. Trust me when I tell you you will not have it. I have a knife in my pocket and I forget it's there. But it's alway's there. That is because it is light and small and nothing I have to "think" about.

    Me? In one way or the other I'll gain your back and choke you down. With a legal blade it would be child's play. So I don't need to carry. But if I did, it would have to be small enough to always be there. And if it was, .22LR can get very nasty.
    I may never need my homeowner's insurance to rebuild my house after a fire either, but I won't be cancelling it either. I'm too old & out of shape to be engaging in hand to hand combat in a SD situation. A .22 CAN be nasty, but I would guess that out of a small pocket pistol, the results may be a bit disappointing. I wouldn't carry anything under .380, but then I'm not a hand to hand badass.

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    I carry an XD45 Compact, year round, and a spare mag. That's a double-stack pistol and 24 rounds of .45 ACP, and yes it is heavy. But, if you are going to make the commitment to carry a lethal weapon, carry something that you are confident with, carry it every day, and just get used to the pain and discomfort.

    It doesn't have to be a .45...but .45's are very good.

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    You guys make me smile. I love the cut-of-your-jib.

    Not only do you know handguns inside and out, but you have a responsible sense for what is the right gun for the person. And that means a lot. What I may like may mean nothing to the person standing next to me. I love the .45, but also love shooting a .22LR semi-auto at the range. It is just flat-out fun...and flat out cheaper. Ammo is just becoming very expensive. You can easily go through fifty bucks in a very short period of time. Shooting has become more expensive than golf -- and I stopped that because it just became way too expensive.

    .22 rounds used to be a penny a piece. Those days are over. .22 rounds are pricey now. I am amazed how much ammo has gone up in ten years. But the .22 is still the best bang for your buck and it is fun to shoot. If it is not fun, you will not do it. If you don't do it, you will never get as good as these guys. What they do came from thousands and thousands of rounds. If it is not fun and cheap, you will not do that.

    For home defense, I think the .45 is your gun of choice. It is a softer fire and the ballistics are devastating. The magnums and +P+ rounds do very well for bears. Listen to the folks here that have been there/done that. There are probably a lot of cops that have been trained. You just cant't beat the training thing. Here, you get it for free. Listen.

    Let me take a minute or two. Always support the police. Do whatever you can to support their efforts. There are very few people on earth that will risk their life to save yours. Always have the utmost respect for that. The same respect you already have for our US army. It is very much the same thing. Support them anyway you know, how. Explain to the children why the police are their best friends. Be just one voice that makes sense to a kid. That will stick in their mind. And then there will be an argument that makes some sense. Most kids are pure. They want that support. They have to believe that there are thousands and thousands of people that believe the same thing. If enough people take the time to do that, it will feed upon itself. I saw that happen with a small troubled bunch of kids. It works.

    Forgive me for going off subject. I just had to say that. I live in an area where kids can go bad very fast. Their information can be very bad. And then it become a mind set. In their bones, they are pure little kids. Propaganda and kids has worked for thousands of years. A pure child will make a very bad mistake, because of the propaganda. It works because the support is feeding the mentality. That has to stop.

    In a nutshell, be very open and talk about that. Help the kid to understand how easy it is to ruining his life. Help him to "see" the picture. Help him to "see" the steps that lead up to the very bad mistake. Only then will there ever be an argument. A decision. Most kids are pure. They will remember what you told them. That is your power.

    One kid walking away from the bad situation because he understands.

    And that is your power. He understands.

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    To quote P.G. Woodhouse (in particular, Jeeves): We endeavor to please, sir.

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    The Kahrs are great guns. Many people like the smaller sized Kimbers. I have the Springfield EMP9 and just got the Springfield Ultra Compact Stainless .45 which has a 3.5 inch barrel and weighs 33 oz. Alot of people bash the short barreled .45's but the new Ultra Compact out of the box has had no mistakes through 150 rds of three different types of ammo. I carry the EMP owb but it is a little more difficult to conceal that way. I usually carry a PPS .40 which really is easily concealed. Try to "fondle" as many as you can and see what feels good. Most of the smaller guns are easy to hide including some of the .45's. Do a lot of research, looking, and talking to shooters if you can. I am sure there is a gun out there for you, you just have to find it on your own terms.

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    Kahr CW45:

    Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollander View Post
    The Kahrs are great guns. Many people like the smaller sized Kimbers. I have the Springfield EMP9 and just got the Springfield Ultra Compact Stainless .45 which has a 3.5 inch barrel and weighs 33 oz. Alot of people bash the short barreled .45's but the new Ultra Compact out of the box has had no mistakes through 150 rds of three different types of ammo. I carry the EMP owb but it is a little more difficult to conceal that way. I usually carry a PPS .40 which really is easily concealed. Try to "fondle" as many as you can and see what feels good. Most of the smaller guns are easy to hide including some of the .45's. Do a lot of research, looking, and talking to shooters if you can. I am sure there is a gun out there for you, you just have to find it on your own terms.
    Alot of people bash the short barreled .45's but the new Ultra Compact out of the box has had no mistakes through 150 rds of three different types of ammo.

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    All the options so far sound good,also take a look at the Colt Defender (3" 1911,my favorite of the compact ones).

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    I carry a sig sauer p220 (r) in my wasteband. I am retired law enforcement and perhaps I just got used to it over the years, but I will always carry a .45acp.

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