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    CZ 75 P-01 or Sig SP2022?

    I'm trying to get into armed security work in Jacksonville, FL. I have a Springfield XD .40, but the law only allows carrying a 9mm semi auto. I've been reading about and fondling different makes and models to replace my XD. I've pretty much narrowed it down to the CZ 75 P-01 or the Sig SP2022. Both get really good reviews and both feel good in my hand. I like the look and feel (so sweet) of the CZ P-01 better, but there's not much slide to grab, it's about $100 more and the trigger is probably not as good as the SP2022.

    I'm having a hard time deciding. Anyone have an opinion on which one I should pick? I'd like to pick both, but that's just not possible right now.

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    How do I make the font much bigger than is possible with this interface.........

    oh heck............


    CZ P-01 is an absolutely terrific gun.




    I have got to tell you that is this age of polymers and other such high tech stuff it is nice to find an all metal pistol that feels great in the hand and shoots even better. The P-01 is one of those guns that should be worth a lot more than what it sells for. I have a SIG 226 that is a dream to shoot and this compact P-01 is every bit the shooter. I will say that if you look closely enough, the quality of the finish is a BIT less perfect than the SIG but..... shoot the darn thing.

    For review:


    CZ P-01 is much better.


    My buddy Jim is a SIG armorer and he sometimes wonders what the SIG management was thinking when the developed the SP2022. I've shot it and I like it but the CZ was just the overall better gun.

    Enjoy....

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    I would go with the P-01. It is NATO approved and is one outstanding pistol. The width of the slide is somewhat small, but you get used to it. The trigger will smooth out the more you shoot it. I personally didn't care for the Sig 2022. I am sure there are others, however, that love it.

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    Go with the CZ P01. I have the CZ 75 D PCR Compact which is similar in size to the P01, and this thing is so accurate and fun to shoot. Plus it is reliable. I haven't shot the SIG 2022, but I played with one at the gun shop and didn't really like the free play of the slide. On another issue, have you considered GLOCKS

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    Sig makes very good guns and the 2022 is a tried and true model. The CZ's are also very good weapons and the P-01 is a great weapon. There is a lot of to do about the NATO number but I am not sure what that actually means or how one gets one. I have heard many theroies but have seen no actual documentation of any of it.

    That being said I love my P-01 and if I were forced only to own one pistol I would not part with my P-01. It is hard to do much better then that gun right there in my opinion. If the choice were mine, I would once again spend a couple extra bucks and get the CZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recoilguy View Post
    Sig makes very good guns and the 2022 is a tried and true model. The CZ's are also very good weapons and the P-01 is a great weapon. There is a lot of to do about the NATO number but I am not sure what that actually means or how one gets one. I have heard many theroies but have seen no actual documentation of any of it.

    RCG
    This is not documentation but, what CZ claims on there own website:
    http://cz-usa.com/press-releases/102/

    The P-01 is now a NATO classified pistol and issued the NATO stock number NSN 1005-16-000-8619.

    The CZ P-01 is the culmination of several years of exhaustive design and testing. Ceska Zbrojovka has always had some of the most rigorous testing requirements in the world but, the Czech National police has required that they go even further, the testing regiment for this new pistol was the most demanding anyone has ever encountered. There are almost 20 specific requirements covering everything from accuracy to interchangability, from safety to reliability/durability and everything in between.

    The pistol: The CZ P-01 is a Gen 3 pistol that began as a requirement for a lightweight compact pistol that will deliver the accuracy and durability of a full size, full weight pistol. This was no small task, several manufacturers declined to even start the project.

    The first thing you notice about this pistol is the M3 light rail on the frame, a first for CZ, the alloy frame is a little wider at the top than a steel CZ 75. This adds strength and rigidity for mounting the light and increasing the accuracy and service life of the pistol. The P-01 also sports enhanced controls as well as a drop free magazine and a lanyard loop.

    The pistol was required to pass a wide variety of tests:

    The police required that the pistol ensure the highest level of comfort, an extended slide release was added as well as an extended magazine release and the trigger was reshaped to give a more consistent pull throughout the trigger stroke.

    The pistol must be 100% reliable in extreme conditions, the following is a list of some of the minimum requirements.

    Must be able to complete the following without failure:

    4000 dry firings
    3000 De-cockings
    Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
    Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
    100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.


    Safety requirements:

    Drop test
    1.5 meter (4.9”) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

    3meter drop (9.8”) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

    After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

    The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

    The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
    This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
    The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
    The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
    The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

    Service life:
    The service life requirement from the Czech police was 15,000 rounds of +P ammo!
    The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

    Reliability:
    The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
    This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF)
    During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
    The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.

    Heritage:
    The P-01 is based on the CZ 75, the most used pistol in the world. Over 60 countries use it as the standard side arm of their Armies, National police forces, National security agencies or other Law enforcement organizations. No other pistol can make this claim.

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    Thanks, I read all that already, I understand the P-01 is a fine weapon and I personally think mine is the best all around handgun I own.

    It appears that the listed testing is that of the Czech police not NATO. I see many folks touting the NATO certification and the NSN 1005-16-000-8619 designation, I just do not know if that actually means anything or if there is criteria to earn it. I was asked by some of my buddies when I said "yeah this baby is NATO certified" and they asked what that means and how CZ got it.

    I do not believe NATO actually does any testing on any weapons, I could be wrong, I do not think they outsource the testing to independant labs and if they rely on the factory to supply the results of the tests I would be surprised. I also am wonder the corrilation of the Czech police test and the NATO NSN.

    I am not saying anything bad about the weapon, or the fact it can be frozen and still fire. I just do not mention the NSN anymore when saying what a fine weapon it is because I don't know what it represents. I still don't right now.

    I love my P-01 and will recomend it to anyone looking for a great all around weapon. It is surely worth every penny I paid for her. I just can't make teh NSN.......means anything connection.

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    I read it the same way you do recoilguy. That the testing and requirement layed out are a police test.

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    Well, I bought the P-01. Too many recommendations to ignore. Should be here soon!

    Regarding the NATO issue, I tried to google it and this is about all I found:

    http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/smallarms/McFadden.pdf

    Not sure if it helps.

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    Great Vitali...did you make sure it says P-01? My first one said 75 D Compact which is an overseas designation. I returned it as I wanted it to say P-01. Some people mind, others don"t... they are the same gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitali View Post
    Well, I bought the P-01. Too many recommendations to ignore. Should be here soon!

    Regarding the NATO issue, I tried to google it and this is about all I found:

    http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/smallarms/McFadden.pdf

    Not sure if it helps.

    Excellent choice!!!! You will love it.

    RCG

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    Rogelk,...The listing from WholesaleHunter on auctionarms.com said "CZ P01 9mm Luger 14 Rounds Black Polycoat Frame". I did see at least one on gunbroker that was listed as a P-01, but the actual gun in the picture said CZ 75 D compact. I asked him about it and he said it was a P-01. However, I wasn't taking any chances. I wanted one that said P-01 like you said.

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    Sounds like you are on top of it Vitali, it is a sweet little gun.... You're going to enjoy it!

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    put some pics up if you can when you get it....Although I am a Glock guy I am starting to find these guns interesting...those tests sound pretty crazy, Id feel safe owning one of those fo shizzle

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    Will do.

    In the meantime you can find pics at czforumsite.info ----> The P-01 Club ----> The P-01 Page

    Some sweet lookin' pieces.

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    I'd like to see some pics of Vitali's as well....in the mean time...here's mine .......


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    Damn,... file size too big. Oh well, it looks just like Rogelk's.

    Time to get some 9mm ammo.

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    Welcome to the CZ club bro. How did you like all the extra greece that came with your firearm?
    After a couple trips to the range that trigger should break in nicely... I'm sure you'll have a blast getting acquainted with it. They are dead accurate.

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    Hey!! I slipped up and missed the big event...Congrats Vitali!...have you cleaned and fired it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogelk View Post
    Hey!! I slipped up and missed the big event...Congrats Vitali!...have you cleaned and fired it yet?
    damn I would hope so...its been a couple weeks....still waiting for the first range report

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