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    If I'm awake, the H&K is on me. If I'm awake and drinking a couple beers, it's on the computer desk. Fully loaded, one in the chamber and safety on. I only put the safety on if it's off my person. I keep my Beretta in a GunVault that's bolted to the nightstand with a security cable wrapped around the bed post. It's fully loaded, one in the chamber and safety off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mels95yj View Post
    If I'm awake, the H&K is on me. If I'm awake and drinking a couple beers, it's on the computer desk. Fully loaded, one in the chamber and safety on. I only put the safety on if it's off my person. I keep my Beretta in a GunVault that's bolted to the nightstand with a security cable wrapped around the bed post. It's fully loaded, one in the chamber and safety off.

    Not picking here, just curious, but why do you not use the safety? I carry a couple different guns during a given year depending on the weather. Mostly it's a 1911 and I've been shooting it long enough that removing the safety is second nature when the weapon is presented to the target/threat. I also carry a Glock, but I've never had a problem distinguishing it from the 1911 so I don't thumb for the safety when it's what I'm carrying. On the rare occasion I carry the HK, the safety is similar enough to the 1911 to not be an issue. Of any of them, I guess it'd be the easiest to NOT use the safety on, just shoot the first shot double, but for the life of me, I can't understand why you would leave the safety off. Again, I just want to know what your reasoning is, not trying to bust on you or anything.

    side note: keep in mind, I don't switch from gun to gun on a daily or even monthly basis, just when the seasons change to help facilitate concealment. As of late though, I got a new IWB holster and have been carrying the 1911 exclusively now, even though before, I'd have switched to the Glock for summer carry.

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    Exclamation Again.....

    Stashing loaded firearms is stupid, and, a great way to catch your own bullet or get your firearms stolen. I could write a book on this topic. Flat busts me up when others tell me they "have guns stashed all over the house...."
    Nice
    I'll wait out here.


    At home, I'm carrying.

    Away, they are in the safe and locked up. Period.
    Is that a gaurantee? There are none. But- it is the right thing to do.

    It does me no good to walk in on a perp and have him point my [loaded] gun at me.
    That's an emberassment I'm not willing to endure nor a risk I'm willing to take, ever.
    Period- again.

    An unsecured, loaded firearm is a liability and an accident waiting to happen. Is it out of reach? It's now a ticking bomb.

    Be a responsible firearm owner, lock it up.

    Do I sound overly 'safety cop'?
    Know anyone that's had an ND?
    There are no 'good one's'.
    Risk it and reap it.

    YMMV, so will your lifespan and collection should someone find your stash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    Not picking here, just curious, but why do you not use the safety? I carry a couple different guns during a given year depending on the weather. Mostly it's a 1911 and I've been shooting it long enough that removing the safety is second nature when the weapon is presented to the target/threat. I also carry a Glock, but I've never had a problem distinguishing it from the 1911 so I don't thumb for the safety when it's what I'm carrying. On the rare occasion I carry the HK, the safety is similar enough to the 1911 to not be an issue. Of any of them, I guess it'd be the easiest to NOT use the safety on, just shoot the first shot double, but for the life of me, I can't understand why you would leave the safety off. Again, I just want to know what your reasoning is, not trying to bust on you or anything.

    side note: keep in mind, I don't switch from gun to gun on a daily or even monthly basis, just when the seasons change to help facilitate concealment. As of late though, I got a new IWB holster and have been carrying the 1911 exclusively now, even though before, I'd have switched to the Glock for summer carry.
    I don't carry the H&K cocked and locked. Even though I fully trust the manual safety, and the safety between my ears, I'm not comfortable enough with Condition 1 yet to do it. As you know, the double action on the H&K is pretty substantial, so for me that's the way I go.

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    mels95yj,
    I see. Carrying a gun can be a daunting task. Being careful is good, but practice with your weapon (dry fire) more and get confortable. The reason I say that is because the gun was designed so that it can be carried cocked and locked with the safety engaged. It can become faster to disengage the safety than having to use the longer double action pull. It will also help with accuracy of your first shot. Sometimes you may only have one, so it needs to count. Practice practice practice, and good luck, be careful.

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    you do sound a bit safety cop haha but with good reason. the only gun you need loaded is the one your carrying or stashed in a nightstand when your sleeping. i can understand having a shotgun in the closet but anything beyond that is just pushing your luck. if you want to be safe anywhere in your house then carry in your house, pretty simple. if you think your going to get into a shootout where you need multiple hidden guns your in trouble, you should either quit smoking crack or quit dealing it because those are the only reasons i can think of where someone would think they need to hide guns everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jump15vc View Post
    you do sound a bit safety cop haha but with good reason. the only gun you need loaded is the one your carrying .

    Great point. Allow me to expand....

    I've drilled in sim-houses, done threat on threat etc....I'm no instructor but here's what I've gleaned from getting beaned during these exact scenario's:

    It's no fun trying to run and gun to cover or another stashed firearm, esp when said stashed firearm is in, or on the way, to an occupied room. You are now running into harms way (exposed) instead of evacutating or seeking cover- which is priority one. If you have an out, take it. Every time.

    If you cannot, and, must barricade:
    It is way eaiser, safer and infinitley more efficient to carry one firearm and additional/back-up mags/ammo for same than blasting your way from room to room trying to get back-up firearms.

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    mossberg pump under the bed with 3 in the magazine, and the forestock is half cocked back(manual says not to store it fully pushed/pulled in either direction)

    and a box of shells close by (and yes if kids come over it gets moved while they are there)

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    Sig P229 full magazine and one in the chamber - I keep it in a combination lock box along with a surefire flashlight. It is in the closet as it makes the wife feel better about it - she's not too keen on firearms - also it makes her feel better when the grandkids are around. Me too! I have taken the 12 year old to the range and have instructed him on firearm safety but the 3 year old is the scary one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clanger View Post
    Great point. Allow me to expand....

    I've drilled in sim-houses, done threat on threat etc....I'm no instructor but here's what I've gleaned from getting beaned during these exact scenario's:

    It's no fun trying to run and gun to cover or another stashed firearm, esp when said stashed firearm is in, or on the way, to an occupied room. You are now running into harms way (exposed) instead of evacutating or seeking cover- which is priority one. If you have an out, take it. Every time.

    If you cannot, and, must barricade:
    It is way eaiser, safer and infinitley more efficient to carry one firearm and additional/back-up mags/ammo for same than blasting your way from room to room trying to get back-up firearms.
    Exactly, in almost any situation your much better staying put and holding it down with a handgun and a few extra mags than trying to fight your way into the closet where you keep an ak or shotty. thats just putting yourself in a scenario when you are unprotected and it gives the BG an unnecessary advantage. im either hiding or waiting or posting up in a spot where i will see him before he sees me, this gives me the best chance for survival. if he goes into the living room, grabs the tv and leaves im ok with that, thats what insurance is for. but if i feel threatened im making a shot(with my nightstand gun of course)

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    You may think I'm crazy, stupid, careless, or whatever you like, but, I have no children at home, very few visitors,(and the bed room is locked when the grand kids come over), and the dog doesn't shoot, yet!, and I keep a Kel-Tec P-11 9mm, 11+1 and a FEG GKK .45acp, 7+1 + extra 8rd mag, both loaded and ready ON my bed table at night, as well as a TZ99 9mm 15+1 + extra 16rd mag and a 12ga pump 4+1 #4 3"mag in a rack within arms reach of my bed. My wife also has a Kel-Tec P-11 9mm 9+1 in her purse beside the bed on the floor, and a Ruger Security-Six .357mag + 2 speed loaders in her night stand, on the opposite side of the bed from me. That's not mentioning the loaded CETME in the corner beside the bed and the .357mag Ruger Blackhawk in my office desk drawer. When I'm not in bed, one of my pistols is with me. Just which ever I decide to grab. Usually my Kel-Tec.

    Along with my 4 legged Chi-Tzu (Chihuahua+Shih-Tzu) alarm system and these items, anyone care to come in uninvited?

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    That's a really nice collection.

    It's unsecured though and very susceptable to theft. Hopefuly someone is at home all the time to watch it all.

    I dont have little one's either, and, my biggest fear is theft.
    So I lock 'em up when I'm not around to protect them.
    There's many other things they can take first, and, once they find my safe soooo...there's many other things they can take first.
    And they'll be there quite a while trying to get in it.

    Theives usually look for the things that are the easiest to carry and the most expensive. (high dollar-to-bulk ratio).


    YMMV/My .02
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    stored means not in use, so at that point it is in the safe, when I'm home, on my right hip or on the table next to the bed.

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    We have a pretty good "neighborhood watch" especially during the day, and my wife and sister-in -law are usually home. Oh, I forgot to mention my 2 Chow dogs out side. They're sneaky critters!

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    remington 870 hung on the wall with those big rubber coated hooks like the ones people use to hang bikes,put it high enough so kids cant reach
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    Quote Originally Posted by YODA308 View Post
    remington 870 hung on the wall with those big rubber coated hooks like the ones people use to hang bikes,put it high enough so kids cant reach

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo View Post
    Yea, same here! ...but mines suspended from the ceiling, above my bed by some fishing line. I sleep with my Kershaw open, in hand, and if I wake.... swing wildly and wham... a loaded 8 round shotie in my lap- READY TO GO!! That's good, right?!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YODA308 View Post
    remington 870 hung on the wall with those big rubber coated hooks like the ones people use to hang bikes,put it high enough so kids cant reach
    You realize dressers, boxes, other kids, etc. make good ladders. I know my son is a monkey. No way I would do that but to each there own.

    I keep my XD 45 loaded fully with 13 rounds but none in the chamber in a keypad safe that I can access in seconds. I don't keep one in the chamber, just in case, because there is no way in hell he'd be able to rack the slide. Figure it is a good safety measure and it takes me less than a second to rack the slide if need be.

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    Okay,

    As stated, to each his own. I have a gun safe. At night, I keep one of my handguns next to my bed loaded but not chambered. I live downstairs and can easily chamber a round while making my way upstairs.
    No one can break-in downstairs as there are no doors and the windows are too small unless you are a child.
    Because I have grandchildren in the house, all other guns are locked in the safe. My HD gun comes out at night, goes back in the safe in the morning. Only two keys exist, I have one, my son has the other. This arrangement seems to work the best for us currently.

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