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    Gunbroker Faud Alert

    It appears that I have been ripped off on a purchase through Gunbroker. "raygun2008" has 4 items listed for sale and buyer beware. I bid and won on a FN 5.7, after making payment (though Paypal, thank goodness) I asked for his information I need to complete the FFL transfer form. He replied to 4 emails, each time with an excuse why he couldn't send the information. How hard is it to send your company name, phone and fax number? Now I'm getting worried and start looking into this guy (I know, I should have done this before hand ) and the phone numbers I can find are not in service. The last email I sent I told him I was worried because of the phones and he told me he would send a refund, but nothing has happened. I have filed a claim with Paypal, so we'll see where that goes.

    This is just a warning to beware of raygun2008 on Gunbroker.

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    OK first off you paid for a pistol with paypal. good luck there. have you talked to Gunbroker you need to soon, very soon. I hope you get it worked out ok.

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    Good luck. I hope it works out for you.

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    If you paid with a credit card (through paypal), I would contact the bank that issued the card and tell them the info and see what protection you have there. Just my .02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhead1219 View Post
    If you paid with a credit card (through paypal), I would contact the bank that issued the card and tell them the info and see what protection you have there. Just my .02.
    I hope you used a Credit card through paypal. Paypal does not like anyone using their service for firearm purchases. Most all the shop owners that list there will say no paypal because they have issue with firearm purchases.

    If you used a card then have them do a charge back. That works really fast and he will have no choice in the matter. Other he will owe paypal or he pays it back but they will get the money off the card. Well, at least most of it. I'm really hoping this works out for you. Gunbroker is pretty ticked off by paypal and had a while back tried to strongly advise that no one used it. Though some still do for parts.

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    Thumbs down No PayPal for me

    One of the reasons why I refuse to use PayPal is because they are ragingly anti-gun.

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    I filed a claim through Paypal and did receive a refund today. I'm not the only one that "raygun2008" is trying to screw. I just went to leave feedback on Gunbroker and there was another "F" rating feedback that has been posted today and I'm sure there will be others in the next couple of days. Not sure what the guys deal is, but it's some type of scam, for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruzthepug View Post
    I filed a claim through Paypal and did receive a refund today.
    Great news!

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    You should report him to the ATF.

    They take that kind of stuff seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Great news!
    +1...glad you got it back.

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    Glad you got it back. I'm kind of surprised they didn't say you didn't adhere to the TOS and took it for a Brady donation

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsJohnson View Post
    Glad you got it back. I'm kind of surprised they didn't say you didn't adhere to the TOS and took it for a Brady donation
    Wouldn't that add insult to injury? Not only did you not get your money back, but a donation was made in your name to the Brady's!

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    just joking..

    but Paypal is pretty ani gun. Especially after the Va. Tech shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruzthepug View Post
    I filed a claim through Paypal and did receive a refund today. I'm not the only one that "raygun2008" is trying to screw. I just went to leave feedback on Gunbroker and there was another "F" rating feedback that has been posted today and I'm sure there will be others in the next couple of days. Not sure what the guys deal is, but it's some type of scam, for sure.
    the account will be closed and he/she will have another new account to try the same crap in a few days (if not already).
    +1 for alerting the ATF, they can do more to go after him/her than gunbroker or paypal.

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    raygun2008

    What is the address of the crook?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikecu View Post
    What is the address of the crook?
    User Name: raygun2008
    Email Address: info@shoptheearth.info
    First and Last Name: Ray Hammond
    Address: 2010 KINGFISHER DR
    PALM HARBOR, FL 34683-5026
    USA
    Home Phone Number: 727-771-7800
    Work / Alternate Phone: 888-300-8192
    Fax: 888-300-8192

    His bio from Gunbroker


    Others are now leaving feedback about getting ripped off. All his information is bogus. At the time I was emailing and trying to call these numbers in Gunbroker bio were different. All the number on his website were no longer in service and the one number I got a voice mail said to not leave a message. I noticed this morning his website is not working and all his listings (except one that sill has just a few hours left) are gone from Gunbroker. There for a few days hes was running back to back 1 day auctions. I have sent a email to the ATF reporting this, don't know what they can do, but I sent it anyway.

    I'm guessing he gets your payment, send bogus information then ignores you emails and just tries to keep the money. I think I got lucky that I had problems making my payment the he replied to a email from his iphone, so I had his real email and ended up getting my money back.

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