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    Quote Originally Posted by xamsx View Post
    I'd really be interested in finding out if all those problems were sorted out on the latest models..
    In fairness to the RAMI, let me make this clear: this is the best subcompact 9mm that I have personally ever fired, as far as accuracy and natural handling characteristics. I searched far and wide for a subcompact that fit the trigger-finger reach on my largish hands, and this was my solution. Otherwise, I would not have jumped through all the necessary hoops to get this particular gun running right.

    But, a new shooter does not need a 'project gun.' There is enough to try to master, without dealing with reliability issues. I usually always recommend an XD-9 or Glock 26 for a first subcompact to a novice shooter. They are both accurate, totally reliable, and easy to learn to shoot well. They are the same size and grip angle, so it doesn't really matter which one you choose. The XD has the grip safety, if you feel you need that extra assurance, and it doesn't hurt a thing, as far as shoot-ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bisley View Post
    But, a new shooter does not need a 'project gun.' There is enough to try to master, without dealing with reliability issues. I usually always recommend an XD-9 or Glock 26 for a first subcompact to a novice shooter. They are both accurate, totally reliable, and easy to learn to shoot well. They are the same size and grip angle, so it doesn't really matter which one you choose. The XD has the grip safety, if you feel you need that extra assurance, and it doesn't hurt a thing, as far as shoot-ability.
    I agree that they make great options for a sub-compact, but don't leave out the M&P. Also, you're making it sound like the XD9SC and G26 are exactly the same, and that is not the case. If you hold one, then hold the other, they feel very different. OP, you need to hold, and shoot (if possible) as many options as possible before making your decision.

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    I had pretty much the same ideas about what I wanted in a gun before really handling or shooting any of them. My price point was about $100 less than I ended up spending. Originally, I wasn't looking for a compact. Anyway, the first one I shot in my search was the M&P9. It didn't have the external safety that I had to have, no decocker, and more money than I wanted to spend. But it just felt so good. I decided during my search that I would be getting my CWP soon so I started looking at the compact models. After all the guns I shot, I ended up going with my M&P9c. External safety is a non-issue for me now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bisley View Post
    The CZ RAMI is my favorite carry gun. I shoot it almost as well as my full-size semi-autos. The only reason it is not at the very top of the list, when I'm recommending a subcompact to a new shooter, is that some of the early models have had reliability problems, especially with self-defense type ammo (JHP). Mine is a 2004 model and had to have all new springs and a trip back to the factory for six weeks, before it would fire hollow point ammo. They did a ramp job, throated and polished the chamber, and deburred and polished the rails, to make it work properly. It now feeds everything properly, and is a pleasure to shoot.

    My understanding is that these problems were addressed and eliminated on later models, but I have no hands-on experience with that.
    I purchased an alloy frame 2075 2 months ago. From day one it has ate everything and I do mean everything I fed it. Has been a great gun. I put 500 rds thru it and, since south Tx hot weather is getting here, has replaced my XD45C as my EDC. Just my .02.

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    first off, i lost patience and only read about half the replies so if I am repeating then I apologize.

    For an inexpensive mid size with decocker and safety check out the ruger P94 and P93 models (both discontinued but plenty online for sale).
    For economical guns i recommend a company called cdnn that does overstocks, discontinued models, police buybacks, etc.

    But I think you need to do some test firing of a few guns via rentals (even if they don't have the exact models you are looking for it will give you an idea whcih features you like) and hit a good size gun show to just feel up and try on a bunch of different models.

    I would also recommend a basic handguns 101 type class.

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    S&W Sigma 9mm VE, 16+1 cap, DAO, no safety to fuss with, the 10# trigger would be next to impossible to accidently discharge, rugged, 100% reliable, born in the USA for under $350. delivered and in stock froms Buds. I shoot my neighbors M&P 9C all the time and the trigger is too light for a gun with no safety for me. The Sigma is not a tack driver rather a self defense, no nonsense weapon and it does it well. If SHTF nobody will notice a 10# trigger pull. I carry mine daily in a Kholster IWB.

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