Wow that thing will kick over my head...lol
Ruger Alaskan in .454 Casull
Wow that thing will kick over my head...lol
have u considered the 10mm?
smith wesson 'safety kit' - 500 magnum snubnose
or get the 460 magnum
or Ruger Alaskan 480 magnum
or any short barreled 44 magnum
the 460 and the 44 mag are the most usefull because you can shoot 45lc in the 460 and 44 specials in the 44 mag
so just because someone else mentioned the 10mm means i cant???
I would say that a well placed 357 Mag would be sufficient for HUNTING a bear, where YOU are AMBUSHING the BEAR....
A charging bear, coming for you... with a 357 Mag??? No thanks.
Bear defense with a handgun (almost any handgun shy of maybe a 454 Casull, 460 S&W Mag, or 500 Mag) is downright luck. If I where hiking in an area with dangerous bears, I'd have a 12 gauge.
Hell, human defense with a handgun against a charging PERSON is a low-probablility one-shot-stop...
I HAVE been fishing on e the Kenai Peninsula, in Alaska, and we did see Brown Bears (Grizzly). The one I saw up close was a very young bear, and mearly 600-800 lbs... Black Bear in Washington, are a lot smaller, 200-300 lbs??? But if it's a momma bear, and you end up mistakenly between her and her cubs... that 357 Mag won't even slow her down... short of a lucky head shot... IF it doesn't just deflect off her thick skull.
In Alaska, we had a Remington 308 pump over one shoulder the whole time while fishing... as suggested by Alaska Fish and Game...
If it's legal, that's what I'd hike with too...
My informed 2 cents...
Thanks! Yeah that seems to be the general consensous. It seems in this case there really isn't a one gun fits all senario. I must say that I was really hoping it would work out that way though. So the way this will probably end up is with me getting an S&W .357 with a 4" barrel. For personal protection it will have plenty of power it will be reliable, the wife will ba able to use it with out worring about a safety etc. Also as a very last resort for black bear. I know it is a stretch but at least the 4" barrel will add some penetration. So that is where I am at now. I just came back from the range and the S&W 686 is a really nice fit. I will be going back to shoot it this weekend......
There is no perfect gun, but for an all-around choice, the S&W 686 is a good call...
You'll be able to hand it down to your grandchildren's grandchildren...
For compactness I carry either my Ruger GP100 3" barrel .357 or a Ruger .44 mag Alaskan. The Alaskan is available in 454 Casull or 44 mag, the 480 model has been discontinued. I do not hunt and for me a shorter barrel revolver fit the bill. My other hiking woods gun is a Superblackhawk 4 5/8" SS revolver.
A concealable handgun guaranteed to stop a bear?
LOL! Yeah that seems to be it. I was reading a story online about a guy hunting bear in Alaska with a .500. Seems it took quite a few rounds to kill it. The first few didn't even seem to phase it a bit. That puts a little icing on the cake hugh......
Yeah, I'm thinking there are no handguns out there guaranteed to kill a bear, but all are guaranteed to piss him off.
I think a 10mm is the way to go. If you can conceal a fullsize pistol, go for the Glock 20. If you need something smaller [but can still withstand hot 10mm loads] it might be worth your while to find a discontinued Smith and Wesson 10xx series handgun. I own a 1076 and it is a TANK! The hot 10mm loads are slightly better than 45ACP +P loads, and generally are rated somewhere between the 357mag and the 44mag. I've been told it's roughly equivalent to a ".41 magnum" but I am not too keen on its effectiveness on bear. At any rate, if you're looking for a round to double as a bear stopper AND as personal defense, I really believe 10mm is the best way to do it.
I read somewhere that the heart beats only 7 times a minute in a large bear, so you can forget killing a bear [quickly] via blood loss. I'm guessing you need a heart shot or a head shot, forgive the internet slang.
[Edit]: some stuff I found as I think the subject is intriguing:
I do like the fact Chuck also recommended the Glock 20 as an autoloader solution to a bear problem, although he goes on to say a 44mag revolver (or bigger) would be a much better choice. He's right.
Two shots to the head of a 500lb brown bear from a Glock 20 killed it. He's very lucky the bear stopped though.
Thanks! I have actually read the first one before..... Interesting stuff. If I where to get a 10mm it would be the S&W 610. It can also shoot .40. I am not sure if my wife could handle the kick. She has to hold the weapon with one hand so the gun can't be a monster. With a .357 I can use a 38 special round.... Which will kick harder the 38 or a .40?
The .40 will have a greater recoil however the .40 in one gun may have less felt recoil than the .38 in another. It sounds to me like you need to buy at least two guns
As for versatility, 1911 in .45 might serve him well for city and sticks. That or a fragmentation grenade. I personally have no business being near wild bears. I'm more comfortable battling urban guerillas.
The 1911 is a nice gun..... However it's not user friendly. If he wife wanted to use it for home defense one round would always need to be in the chamber, if it jammed or misfired she would be unable to clear it. That would be a major problem in a life and death situation......
i'm going to take a different (and not practical) approach to the "concealable for bear." question. Try a New England Firearms Handi-Rifle in 45-70. stuff it down one pant leg and limp. Not quick into action, but...... Or the Buffalo Bore 6 gun in 45-70?
Maybe not realistic, but a fun answer.
I say forget the bear, but remember the .357