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    registered vs non-registered

    I have a friend who is opposed to registering guns. He buys only at gun shows so he doesn't have to register weapons.

    I contrast this with news stories I read where people are arrested because they possess an unregistered weapon. But if it was illegal to have an unregistered weapon, then why can people buy guns unregistered?

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    Each state may be different, but there is no official gun registration program in the U.S. i.e. by Federal law. As far as I know, it does not matter if your buddy buys a gun at a gun show or in a store, any information collected about the gun and/or him will be the same.

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    You are in Texas?

    No registration requirement in Texas.

    Dealer sales go through the same NICS check and paperwork at a gun show as at the dealers place of business. This is a federal requirement not a State requirement.

    Private party sales documentation requirements can vary from State to State. Anywhere from none at all, to having to get a dealer to do the transfer.

    Don't believe everything you read or see in the news (or on the internet). They often get the facts wrong.
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    Years ago when I was an FFL dealer people came about once a week wanting to trade and would look around and call me aside and say the gun is not registered to me would that be a problem. I would just laugh and tell them I didn't care. I then would make a call to my local sheriff and have the serial ran. Only had 1 come back stolen in 10 years.

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    Same in PA. Background check goes through to buy a gun. I've traded or consigned a number of guns and never had a shop owner check the gun for any type of registration.

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    my view

    I may be a liberal young person, but my mind set is this: If the govt. knows you have guns, and they decide to amend the constitution (go supreme court ruling last summer for giving the people guns!) then my unregestered shot-gun won't be taken, because it doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YE_OLDE_LADY View Post
    I may be a liberal young person, but my mind set is this: If the govt. knows you have guns, and they decide to amend the constitution (go supreme court ruling last summer for giving the people guns!) then my unregestered shot-gun won't be taken, because it doesn't exist.
    You're being foolish. This is a public forum.
    If nobody knew about your "unregistered" shotgun before, they certainly do now.

    If your state requires some sort of gun registration, you shouldn't be bragging about breaking the law. Not here. Not anywhere.

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    thats right ...you might want to edit your post...
    OOOPS too late ...it's already been quoted...

    YOUR BUSTED

    WE DON'T HAVE REGISTERING IN NH... Live free or Die baby !

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    I know the paper work has changed over the years but when I lived in FLA and bought a gun the only people that had any paper work was the dealer. registration was going to the local leo's and and giving them the serial number and who it belonged to (me) but you didnt have too. even now with a NC CCW I buy a gun we fill out the paper work and they hold it, no calls to the FBI or any thing. I was told when they give up their FFL's they have to give their book to the ATF. now they know what I bought. years ago I know they only had to hold the paper work for up to 10 years but it stayed at the store. but h-ll just wait till they start serialing your ammo, I'm told its coming.

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    Hasn't anyone heard of a forum where people dont flame each other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YE_OLDE_LADY View Post
    Hasn't anyone heard of a forum where people dont flame each other?
    My post was not a "flame," but rather a statement of fact and warning.
    If you feel that it was overly critical of your behavior, I assure you that such is entirely a result of your own misapprehension.

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    SteveM1911A1 do you know what our law in WA is as far as private sales from person to person? I was told that nothing was required, but a "sales receipt" would be helpful for one's own protection. Is this the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguy View Post
    SteveM1911A1 do you know what our law in WA is as far as private sales from person to person? I was told that nothing was required, but a "sales receipt" would be helpful for one's own protection. Is this the case?
    I don't know. I suspect that what you were told is correct, but that's the best I can do.
    Go to your county's law library, and check the RCW book for the pertinent laws (starting in the index). My BATFE state-laws book covers Washington, but doesn't include that information. (My county law library is a one-hour ferry ride away. Sorry.)
    I was the recipient of a .38 Special, S&W revolver as a bequest, and that was a paperwork-less transfer, but bequests are a special case.

    (Some local public libraries carry the RCW in their reference section. Try that first.)

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    THe main reason that there are people wanting to close the gun show "loophole" is that most states do not have you do background check/registration for private party sales. When you buy through a ffl dealer even though they don't have you register the weapon the serial is taken out of the dealers inventory and logged as sold to you. So going through a dealers books can show where a gun went to. Closing that loophole makes more guns traceable.

    Also the microstamping issue being tossed around were weapons and ammo can be tracked much the same way.

    All this to track who as what while not a formal registration is a step in that direction. The uncertain times the gun owner is in during these times can make the "paperless" weapon rather appealing. I wouldn't tell people to go out and buy a bunch of flea market/gun show pistols and rifles (you do run the stoles gun risk in this situation) but I can understand the desire to have an/some "unregistered" firearms.

    I will agree with Steve though, if you do have one or more that you got without paper you might want to keep that little fact to yourself. you never know who might be listening. Even in this forum, how many people have done a google search for some gun question and see a page of this forum in the results. Hell, once I put help buying a handgun in google. I hit the I'm feeling lucky button rather than the normal search button and I was sent straight to a thread in this forum. While you do have to register to post you really don't to read. Or at least didn't before. The last board updates might have changed that.

    I can give a pretty good story about paperless sales though. My best friend bought an old Colt wheel gun at a gun show. The seller was not an FFL dealer so no paperwork. when we went to clean it he noticed the serial on the swing arm that holds the cylinder was different than the one on the frame. On closer inspection you could see where someone had worked on the number. It was removed. We took it to another friend at a police station. They used a chemical to raise the old serial. It was indeed different and was a part of a gun that had been stolen.

    It it is me and I was going to buy a gun from someone paperless. I'd want to know that person and where they got the firearm. some of those really good deals can really blow up in your face. You're caught with stolen gun you might never buy one from a FFL dealer again. A Stolen gun can cause you to be charged. I wouldn't want a gun charge on my record. Even if I could say I was acquitted. Sometimes you get on a list it's hard to get off.

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