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    Guns with kids

    I've done some searching but haven't really found anything on having guns in the same house as young children. I'm getting ready to purchase at least one, most likely two handguns in the near future. Right now, we just keep our little 22s in a small safe, but it's not really something that is easily accessed in an emergency, but does a good job in keeping them out of reach at least for the present time. With a 3 year old and 3 month old, I want to keep them safe. A couple questions. What's the best way to secure the guns while allowing easy and quick access with most likely limited visibility? Also, when do you start introducing real guns to your children. I don't want my kids to be scared of guns, don't want them to think they're toys (don't mind them playing with toy guns), but want them to definitely respect all firearms. Any good resources out there? What have y'all done?

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    I'm a young guy with no kids, but corneredcat.com is a site written by a mom with a CCW, and has an extensive section on "Kids and Guns". You might find some of it handy.

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    Not to sound flip, but carry concealed.

    1. Firearm is always secured from "little hands"
    2. Firearm is always immediately accessible
    3. Visibility of firearm is definitely limited

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    Quote Originally Posted by kg333 View Post
    I'm a young guy with no kids, but corneredcat.com is a site written by a mom with a CCW, and has an extensive section on "Kids and Guns". You might find some of it handy.

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    That site has some great reading

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3/325 View Post
    Not to sound flip, but carry concealed.

    1. Firearm is always secured from "little hands"
    2. Firearm is always immediately accessible
    3. Visibility of firearm is definitely limited
    Doesn't sound flip. but even I don't carry when i am in bed. When sleeping it would hurt my back, when naked and.....busy.. it would be hard (and painful) to conceal.


    There are some nice, small, quick access biometric or combination safes out there for just these such situations

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    "Main" safe for everything not in a biometric next to the bed, or on your belt...

    Keeping kids safe from invaders is important. Keeping kids safe from being kids... is more important. A bad-guy might enter your home once in a lifetime. Your child will be in your house evry day for the next 18 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    "Main" safe for everything not in a biometric next to the bed, or on your belt...

    Keeping kids safe from invaders is important. Keeping kids safe from being kids... is more important. A bad-guy might enter your home once in a lifetime. Your child will be in your house evry day for the next 18 years...

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    Gun Vault Inc makes small safes for valuables and firearms. They're electronic with flip open fronts for quick access. At least two models have fingerprint readers that require the fingerprint in order to open.

    As they get older, always stress the importance of safety around firearms to your kids. And in a gun store, keep a close on them. -sigh- I remember once inquiring about some small chips on the barrels of a pair of rifles on display. Turns out someone let their kids play with the guns as if they were a pair of swords...

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    I am interested in this as well. I don't have money or space for a vault. I don't have a handgun yet but will be purchasing in the next couple months, hopefully. I do own a Benelli Nova pump 12 gauge, but I keep it in it's case in the master closet. We have a little curious 14 month old too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    Keeping kids safe from invaders is important. Keeping kids safe from being kids... is more important. A bad-guy might enter your home once in a lifetime. Your child will be in your house evry day for the next 18 years...
    Well said!

    I've got a very active and curious 2 year old running and climbing all over the place. If I'm not holding a gun, its in the safe. As someone who's home was broken in to (while we were sleeping, we didn't wake up and only noticed the next morning), I have made the choice that its more important to keep my firearms secure and away from little fingers.

    If anyone knows of a way to keep a gun accessible to me while I'm sleeping, but safely secured from little fingers, I'd love to hear it. Until then, I take my chances fumbling with a key in the dark when and if the time comes.

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    [QUOTE=JagFarlane;148124]

    Gun Vault Inc makes small safes for valuables and firearms. They're electronic with flip open fronts for quick access. At least two models have fingerprint readers that require the fingerprint in order to open.


    This Gunvault looks great. You don't need much room. I find myself a bit skeptical because of the price, but will be callig them tomorrow.

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    If I had kids in the house, I would keep my ccw/hd weapon in a small safe located in a bedroom drawer. There are small safes that can be opened in just a few seconds. While a few seconds might seem like too much time to some, I can't think of anything else that would be acceptable in the presence of children.

    Some people just keep their guns hidden away where they think the kids won't find it, or just stuck in a drawer with a trigger lock. I do not consider either method to be acceptable with children around, especially older kids who have an uncanny knack of finding hidden objects and then playing with them.

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    I raised a daughter.
    There was always at least one loaded gun in the house. We didn't have a safe. Instead, we supervised our child until she was old enough to learn safety rules (about crossing the street also, not just about guns), and then I took over her gun-safety education.
    I taught her to leave guns alone if she was unsupervised; that she could handle and use any gun she wished to, any time she wanted to, but only with supervision; that if she ever saw an unsecured gun at our home or in someone-else's home, she was to either tell an adult to secure it or immediately leave; and that she was never to "play guns," not even with her finger or a stick, because guns were not toys and shouldn't be seen as being toys.
    My daughter was always gun-safe. She still is, at age 31.

    Safes and lock-boxes are good "insurance," but children should still be taught to be responsible and gun-safe. A safe or lock-box is not a replacement for effective parenting, discipline, and education.

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    Safes and lock-boxes are good "insurance," but children should still be taught to be responsible and gun-safe. A safe or lock-box is not a replacement for effective parenting, discipline, and education.[/QUOTE]

    The lack of effective parenting, discipline, and education is what's wrong with this country now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VP70TK View Post
    ...The lack of effective parenting, discipline, and education is what's wrong with this country now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Agreed!
    And it's gonna be at least two more generations, before this deficiency is corrected.
    If ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VP70TK View Post
    The lack of effective parenting, discipline, and education is what's wrong with this country now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If you would be so kind to let me know how to effectively parent, discipline and educate a toddler to handle a firearm safely, I'd love to hear it. Until then, if I'm not holding a gun, it gets locked in the safe.

    Funny... nobody likes to mention how we went from "Greatest Generation" to generation of screw-ups. More pass the buck, perhaps?

    Or is it that the rotten apples get the most attention? I think most people (adults and children) are what we would all think of as fine upstanding people and don't call attention to themselves. The trouble makers on the other hand get lots of attention.

    Safes and lock-boxes are good "insurance," but children should still be taught to be responsible and gun-safe. A safe or lock-box is not a replacement for effective parenting, discipline, and education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Agreed!
    And it's gonna be at least two more generations, before this deficiency is corrected.
    If ever.
    While I somewhat agree I think the truth is that we have removed GOD from our children's lives and we are paying the penalty for it. Steve I know that you are an atheist and that you still consider yourself to be a "moral" person but you are the exception and not the rule. In my opinion the easiest way to raise honest responsible hardworking children who respect the law and their parents is to raise them in Fear, admonition, love, and respect of Jesus Christ. Notice I did not say the ONLY way to raise good kids but I think it is the easiest way.

    As for me I keep my HD handguns in a biometric lockbox under my side of the bed. I used to keep a little model 605 taurus .357 under the edge of the matress but I think my daughter is old enough now to pick the corner of the matress up so I put it in the lockbox.

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    I messed up the quote on the above post, I was speaking to steve's answer of the other guy who said. parenting and discipline... are the problems with our country

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    Thanks for all the replies. I've been to the cornered cat site before but hadn't noticed the kid section. Some good information there. As for CC, I'm not quite there, yet. And even if and when I get a CCP, I doubt I will have it on me 16 hours a day. So, I don't really view that as an option for me. Now, if the gun isn't on my person, then it will be in a safe. I like the look of the gunvault safes. Seem like they'd be easy to get into without light. Ideally, I'd like biometric. I may have to save up for that and keep my current safe for the meantime.

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    I taught my 4 year old the 4 basic gun safety rules <- we californians have to learn this when getting our certificate from DOJ.

    1. STOP!
    2. Dont' touch
    3. RUN AWAY!
    4. Tell an adult

    He can recite it on command. It takes no place for properly securing your firearm from youngin's hands. Here in CA, if you store your gun unlocked in your home, and a kid breaks in and uses the weapon, the owner will get prison time. I personally always keep mine locked, but very accesible to me.

    Also, to the OP, if you're looking into a handgun safe, i recommend checking out the DAC safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev74 View Post
    If you would be so kind to let me know how to effectively parent, discipline and educate a toddler to handle a firearm safely, I'd love to hear it...
    We found lots of places in our home where we could safely put a loaded (or unloaded) pistol, that our athletic toddler couldn't reach.
    High on a bookshelf, tucked behind (or between) the books, is one example.
    The most important part, however, was that when our child was at home, there was always a watchful parent at home with her. She was given the illusion of autonomy and privacy, but she was always under supervision. (Not intrusion or interference, but supervision. There's a difference.)
    Does that help?

    (Jean and I will be in Lost Angles until the 11th, closing up a recently-deceased aunt's apartment, and settling her affairs. See you on the 12th, or maybe a little later.)

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