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    First, sorry to hear about what the incident you were involved in.

    Second, is a handgun even an option? You mentioned CPD. If you are in Chicago, I am pretty sure you can't legally own a handgun. In that case, the shotgun is the way to go.

    If the handgun is an option, I always recommend a nice full sized revolver for new shooters. They are very easy to keep ready for home defense. I like any of the Smith & Wesson K frames, and something like a model 10, which is .38 Special with fixed sights would be great. If you are not going to carry it, I suggest one with a four inch barrel. Get a good JHP like the Speer Gold Dot or Remington Golden Saber and you will be set up nicely.

    If you really want a semi-auto, I like Glocks. They are very simple to use and easy to shoot well. I prefer the 9mm, again with a good JHP round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptarmigan View Post
    Second, is a handgun even an option? You mentioned CPD. If you are in Chicago, I am pretty sure you can't legally own a handgun. In that case, the shotgun is the way to go.
    I believe you are correct, which is why I was asking which part of the state he lived in. Although the city was sued almost immediately following the outcome of the DC case, I believe Chicago is still fighting it, and I'm sure they will drag it on as long as possible. As far as I know, the Chicago ban and a couple of bans in the suburbs still remain in effect. Many of the suburbs immediately overturned their bans due to the lack of many to fight the lawsuits, but I'm pretty sure Chicago is still under a handgun ban.

    As Ptarmigan said above, if this is the case, the shotgun is your only available option.

    Also, do you even have a FOID card?
    http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/

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    It sounds as if the lunatic won't be the type who is deterred, so I'd go for the shotgun first, on the assumption that he's going to require shooting if he shows up with bad intent. If you hear your front door being kicked in, hole up a "safe room" with the shotgun trained on the door and get 911 on the line.

    Low-recoil ("tactical") buckshot loads offer relatively mild recoil and all the penetration you'll need on an unarmored opponent.

    A pistol is still best for roving defense, and handy to have around if you can legally get one. Your idea of a layered defense is an excellent one, and you should absolutely pursue it no matter what gun you choose.
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    Good advice up there (as usual). Some other random thoughts.

    If you live in an apartment or condo (or other dense housing) give some thought to what happens if a bullet goes through a wall. Even a humble 9mm will go through a bunch of layers of drywall (something like six or eight). Smaller shot (like #3 buckshot) will cause major damage without as much wall penetration.

    My wife and I have a pistol, a shotgun and a .22 rifle. If I heard glass breaking I think she'd get the FNP 9, I'd get the shotgun, and we'd BOTH aim for the bedroom door. It wouldn't hurt to buy both.

    Some glossary:

    CCW - permit to carry a concealed weapon

    JHP - jacketed hollow point round -- usually considered the best anti-personnel bullet

    FMJ - full-metal jacket round -- usually cheaper and great for practice

    frangible round - designed to break into pieces on impact. Sometimes used in apartment/condo settings to reduce shoot-through.

    What a terrible story. I hope it has a happy ending.
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    Are you serious? I wonder who will make it here to close the thread first. Let's take bets! Mike? Todd? Bruce? Who will it be?!?!

    So much for this thread...

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    Last edited by Mike Barham; 11-07-2008 at 07:27 PM.

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    Rick, come on man, why would you write something like that? This thread needs to stay open. Why don't you edit your reply before the mods close it?

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    I guess I get the honors.

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