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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    True enough, but killing isn't the same as stopping.
    Well, I've not heard of a dead person continuing an attack, but ...


    Actually, my point is that with all the talk about "stopping power" it might be easy for a newbie to believe that s/he can point a .22 .32, or .380 acp at somebody and think they will only wound the person if it should go off. Therefore, the small bore guns are "safe" to play with.

    Or worse yet, they are OK to leave loaded and unlocked around the house when kids are around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Man View Post
    Well, I've not heard of a dead person continuing an attack, but ...
    I understand your points. But shooting a guy with a puny .22 so he can die at the hospital in twelve hours isn't quite the same as putting him down right now with a 5.56mm HP or a load of buckshot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I understand your points. But shooting a guy with a puny .22 so he can die at the hospital in twelve hours isn't quite the same as putting him down right now with a 5.56mm HP or a load of buckshot.
    I'm glad you understood the point.

    To focus on "stopping power" and neglect lethality of small calibers may lead to complacency ... which is dangerous.

    The first comment was humor. I really haven't ever heard of someone continuing the attack after death. And a really big caliber gun is more effective in stopping someone in their tracks. ...

    ... Unless you miss.

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    Greetings,
    With good loads there isn't very much difference.

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    just wanted to thank all for the great input and participation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by armed_preacher View Post
    just wanted to thank all for the great input and participation..
    And with that footnote ........ 9 v. 45 War # MCLXXIII is now declared officially over. (maybe).

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    The best resource I've found so far that covers the choices associated with concealed carry is this.


    [quote="Beginner's Guide To Carry
    The first thing to learn (which will be demonstrated later) is that in regards to concealed carry, everything is a compromise. You sacrifice caliber for capacity or overall size, features for cost, sight radius for concealability, etc. Get used to this concept now as it will be a factor in every decision you make from this point. There is no perfect gun, there is no magic bullet, and despite my best efforts (in this message) there is no one size fits all.[/quote]
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    Pistol calibers do not have stopping power!
    Stopping power is if you hit a very vital area.
    The only handgun round that I ever investigated with stopping power was a 357 magnum revolver w/125 HP.
    I have seen 12 guage shotguns fail with shot and slugs and rifles with hardball bullets. Try to hit a moving target or bad guy shooting at you.
    Keep your distance and take cover, know the limitations of your weapon.
    Just because it makes a loud noise don't mean it will stop your adversary with one hit.

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    "Originally Posted by Beginner's Guide To Carry
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    The first thing to learn (which will be demonstrated later) is that in regards to concealed carry, everything is a compromise. You sacrifice caliber for capacity or overall size, features for cost, sight radius for concealability, etc. Get used to this concept now as it will be a factor in every decision you make from this point. There is no perfect gun, there is no magic bullet, and despite my best efforts (in this message) there is no one size fits all."


    I love that quote...

    Just build me a 45ACP that kicks like a 9mm, penetrates windshields, but not wall-board, with a 2" barrel, and .75" thickness, that will drop in my pocket, and weigh less than 15 oz, fully loaded, with 19+1 rounds, and shoot sub-2" groups at 25yds, with an integrated laser, that activates by mind control, and shoot rounds that never underpenetrate, or over penetrate, and expand to the size of a dinner-plate... And sells for $299.99!

    Then... we can close this 9mm-vs-45ACP discussion forever!

    Until then...

    JW

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    I carry both a 9 or 45 for self defense,,both are good rounds,practice and shot placement are key.
    Stay safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    Just build me a 45ACP that kicks like a 9mm, penetrates windshields, but not wall-board, with a 2" barrel, and .75" thickness, that will drop in my pocket, and weigh less than 15 oz, fully loaded, with 19+1 rounds, and shoot sub-2" groups at 25yds, with an integrated laser, that activates by mind control, and shoot rounds that never underpenetrate, or over penetrate, and expand to the size of a dinner-plate... And sells for $299.99!

    Then... we can close this 9mm-vs-45ACP discussion forever!

    Until then...

    JW
    Don't forget to include bullets that can be called back when accidently discharged.

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    My calculator tells me that 5.56 MM is purty close to .22 caliber.

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