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    What handguns don't you like?

    For comparison's sake, member Submoa suggested I look into handguns people don't like so I can get a comparison on (perceived) "bad" guns vs. "good" guns. He raised the question, "how can I know what a good gun is like if I haven't really had experience with a bad one."

    So in all of your experiences, what are some "bad" handguns I should look to try? Why?

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    I dis like a the army m9 we should have never switched from the 1911. Unless it could be for a P1445 LDA

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    I prefer to look at in terms of features. I like guns with low bore axes, short trigger travels and resets, good sights, safeties that work in concert with normal human hand motions, reliability as close to 100% as I can get, and no sharp edges. I don't particularly like guns that lack these features.

    Incidentally, I carried an M9 for a year in Afghanistan and was pretty satisfied with it. I think it's a much better choice for today's military than the 1911.
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    Real small .22/.25 auto's knowed as the Staurday-nite specials. Out of South America. Anything made by Bryco-Jennings. Never seen any blowup but I have seen a lot that were accidents looking for a place to happen.

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    Anything with a mag release on the butt of the gun. I realize some really famous Euro designs have used them, but they just don't work for me. Also, anything that costs less than $250 or so. There are probably a few good ones to be had near that cost, but much less than that, you are buying something with the cheapest possible components and that is just not a good investment.

    I personally like several different guns. Kimbers, Glocks, HK's, Kahr's, Beretta's, Springfields, Rugers, FN's, but I collect guns for the appreciation of their form and function, not just because I like to shoot them.

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    If it's for defensive purposes, I HATE any gun that does not go bang 99.99% of the time.

    After that, it's personal taste, and what you shoot accurately.

    For target shooting, you're talking a different animal. But for basic paper-punching, 2-4" accuracy at 10-15yds, and utter reliabililty, stay with a modern design, $400-600 gun. For beginners, pick a good high-capacity, low maintainance 9mm, and shoot the hell out of it... 100 rounds per week.

    When you get 4-6 months dow the line, shoot some more guns, refine your tastes, practice, practice, practice.

    Unreliable guns? There are exceptions to every rule. There are "bad" Glocks, and "perfect" Tauruses... But for $400-600, in a modern 9mm, 90% of the guys on this sight would be happy with a Glock, XD, or M&P. Rounding out the pack would be the Kel Tec, Ruger, and Walther guys, and then the pricier Sigs and HKs. They're all excellent guns, just do your shopping, and shoot as many as you can.

    Good luck!

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    I never met a handgun I didn't like.

    A few I learned to dislike, however. These are those that scatter my empty cases all around, and those that fail to group consistantly.

    I prefer to shoot, when possible, at longer ranges, fifty to one hundred yards. And, guns that have the potential to put down an elk or a white tail deer..

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3coupe4me View Post
    what are some "bad" handguns I should look to try?
    The statement that submoa made makes sense although I don't believe he was referring to testing all sorts of "bad" guns. People usually DON'T LIKE certain guns based on their own personal preferences. For example, somebody may indicate a specific gun that is not to their liking, you may test that same gun for yourself and like it based on YOUR preferences.

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    I would not slam any particular brand, even though there is some JUNK out there. As the other guys said it is really personal preference. I have my few favorites, but I will not talk bad about anybody elses guns, as it is not appropriate. Look at the major brands, shoot them if you can and see what you like best. Whatever you like is the right gun.

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    A "bad" gun?
    I nominate every .25 ACP pistol there is.
    Why? Because the .25 is absolutely ineffective as a self-defense round, so if one carries a .25 thinking he could defend himself with it, there is delusion involved. Therefore, the .25 ACP is a bad gun because it promotes or encourages self-delusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    A "bad" gun?
    I nominate every .25 ACP pistol there is.
    Why? Because the .25 is absolutely ineffective as a self-defense round, so if one carries a .25 thinking he could defend himself with it, there is delusion involved. Therefore, the .25 ACP is a bad gun because it promotes or encourages self-delusion.
    Heh heh heh!

    Of course, one could say the same about various guns:

    Glock - "Perfection."

    1911 - "The world's greatest fighting handgun."

    HK - "In a world of compromise, some men don't."

    Does believing in marketing equal self-delusion?
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    Handguns I don't like, Hmmm . . . .

    Well, keep Mike's basic tenets in mind and realize that every individual is different in ability, hand size and physical makeup, ability to concentrate and attention span. I don't like a Glock but that 's just for me. The grip just absolutely does not fit my hand. The weapon as a platform is excellent, I just am uncomfortable shooting one and I had a G22 for quite awhile. I sold it because it is the issue weapon of the S.O. and I have one of theirs. I carry a Beretta 96 because it fits me and performs flawlessly so far. I really don't like any gun pointed at me as I have been privy to that picture and it's not fun. Obviously didn't fare any worse as I am still here. I don't like guns in the hands of criminals or individuals who don't handle them safely or properly. I know I'm a little off topic but a .25ACP pressed against the temple will do just as thorough a job as a .45 ACP will. As you experience more handguns and rent and shoot those you do not own you will develop your own set of criteria. Don't buy obvious junk and don't waste your time with any gun that doesn't fit you ergonomically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    ...Does believing in marketing equal self-delusion?...
    Well, think about abdominal tattoos...
    (See, I can do it too—but I'll probably hate myself in the morning.)

    To answer your question, instead of fooling around:
    Yes, of course it does. If you purchase something because you've bought-into its hype, it's self-delusion. If the hype merely led you to try a product out, then you're simply making use of available data on the way to making an informed choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Well, think about abdominal tattoos...
    (See, I can do it too—but I'll probably hate myself in the morning.)
    You mean you wouldn't find THIS intriguing on yourself?



    ...instead of fooling around

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    Hmmm...
    She could appendix-carry a full-size Government Model in full sight, and you'd swear it was only part of the tattoo design.
    Now that's great tactical thinking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratchshooter40 View Post
    ...[A] .25ACP pressed against the temple will do just as thorough a job as a .45 ACP will...
    Um, not according to some of the stories that have received fairly wide circulation. Of course, those stories my merely be apocryphal, but, "One never knows, do one?"

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    Well, I can only relate information from homocides I've worked. Dead from a .22lr is just as dead from a .45ACP. Degree of damage is just not a factor. Go with what suits you and enjoy.

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    Sorry, I can't help myself. It is spelled "Homicide."
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    My original comment was inspired by a post by some guy complaining about a 7lb trigger pull. Here's some guns to try to learn about specific issues people might have problems with.

    Charter Arms Bulldog (original): .44cal + 2.5" barrel + 16 oz weight = recoil
    Walther PPK: 13+lb DA trigger & slide bite & no external slide stop
    Glock G21 (pre-SF): Ginormous grip

    A lot of bad quality stuff usually doesn't stick around for long or gets revised:

    First gen S&W Sigma
    Daewoo DH40

    All guns are compromises. There are always some feature in every gun someone won't like and others a lot will. Its up to you to decide what you can live with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratchshooter40 View Post
    I know I'm a little off topic but a .25ACP pressed against the temple will do just as thorough a job as a .45 ACP will.
    Have to agree with Steve here. My father was a cop. He responded to an attempted suicide with a .25. The bullet had entered at the temple, was deflected by the light bones there, and coursed around the head under the scalp. It stopped above the opposite ear. The guy was basically fine, though the scene was a little bloody. Dad and his partner sent the guy off to the nuthatch in an ambulance.

    After he left the police force, dad carried a SIG P220 in .45.
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