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    Thank you, Scratchshooter!
    I dunno 'bout everybody else, but I found your information quite valuable.
    And, it didn't change my opinion of the .25 ACP cartridge and the guns that shoot it. (Death isn't the object. Stopping the fight is the object.)

    I'm glad that you survived the 12.7mm hit. I hope it was very peripheral, and not especially disabling.

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    Scratch,

    Great post. Thanks for your willingness to share and thanks for your service as a Marine and law enforcement officer.

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    12.7 hit

    In a UH1-B as FAC over a column of tanks headed to the barn after a long, hot, live fire drill. Someone had no secured the pintle mounted 12.7 on the Russian armor. Somehow it discharged and the sole round that struck anything came up through the bottom of the helo and through the seat pan into my posterior, right. Just clipped the hip joint very slightly. Enough so that I have some pretty severe arthritis in it now with a replacement scheduled for this winter, but as they say every day above ground is a blessing. God gives us tomorrow so that today, however bad or trying becomes the past and we have the opportunity to serve others and become a blessing to them. Okay, 'nuff said. Night all, gotta get my daughter in the morning.

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    I've heard this attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt, but I'm not sure:

    Yesterday's history, tomorrow's a mystery, but today is a gift, and that's why they call it the present.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scratchshooter40 View Post
    In a UH1-B as FAC over a column of tanks headed to the barn after a long, hot, live fire drill. Someone had no secured the pintle mounted 12.7 on the Russian armor. Somehow it discharged and the sole round that struck anything came up through the bottom of the helo and through the seat pan into my posterior, right. Just clipped the hip joint very slightly. Enough so that I have some pretty severe arthritis in it now with a replacement scheduled for this winter, but as they say every day above ground is a blessing. God gives us tomorrow so that today, however bad or trying becomes the past and we have the opportunity to serve others and become a blessing to them. Okay, 'nuff said. Night all, gotta get my daughter in the morning.

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    From the weapons I have fired there are a couple that I do not like:

    Beretta 96D DAO .40 S&W = For me because of the longer and heavy trigger pull I could never get used to this pistol and I always threw off my shot.

    Taurus PT145 = I was never very accurate with this pistol, I found it uncomfortable and always shot low.

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    I dont like american guns or revolvers. just realiable ones like HK, Walther,etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratchshooter40 View Post
    .25ACP pressed against the temple will do just as thorough a job as a .45 ACP will. .
    I have seen 1st hand a man shot at under 3 feet with a 25 ACP and it bounced off the mans head. I was in a bar in Cincinnati in my more....Well when I used to go to bars..lol. Now I would not want to try that again.

    Just about everyone is gonna want and try and get small in a hurry when/if they hear gunfire no matter what it is...at least at first.

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    My father was a cop. He responded to an attempted suicide with a .25ACP. Contact distance shot to the side of the head. The bullet deflected off the skull and traveled under the scalp behind the head, coming to rest above the opposite ear. Dad reports the scene was bloody, but the ambulance came and hauled the guy to the hospital, where he recovered completely and quickly.

    This does not inspire confidence in .25ACP for me.
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    totally agree with NO on the 25acp
    BUT
    this months american rifelman reports a guy was broken into and he was laying on the sofa and the BG put a gun at his face and the GG pulled out a 25acp from the sofa - 3 bullets and killed him
    BET IT WAS IN THE FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    he got lucky

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    BET IT WAS IN THE FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I'll place my bet on the neck area.

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    me 2!

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    oh, and not a fan of hi-point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idok View Post
    oh, and not a fan of hi-point
    Man..there's just nothing to like about those guns(hi-point). I hear from a few people that they work fine..I just never was around that one time they did
    Last edited by DevilsJohnson; 09-18-2008 at 12:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    BET IT WAS IN THE FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Probably shot him in the eye and went straight into the brain. You are right though,,,lucky!

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