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    Quote Originally Posted by zeeshan View Post
    stance = weaver
    currently using stoeger cougar 9mm. no problems, but sights are very small and its hard to accquire target. i am from pakistan and cant get extra sights for the gun

    i am switching from 9mm to .45 because i want to have maximum one shot stopping power.
    I have a Stoeger Cougar 9mm and I think the sites are nice. As far as one shot stopping power, that can be achieved with a .380 or even less if you can shoot it accurately. Don't simply go by caliber, go with what YOU shoot best. A bad guy with 4 9mm shots in his chest is gonna go down a lot faster than a bad guy with 4 missed .45 shots. Just my .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptarmigan View Post
    Now we are getting somewhere.

    I just found this sight: http://www.corneredcat.com/Basics/stance.aspx

    I think it does a great job explaining the different stances. I suggest you try the modified Weaver (AKA the Chapman). That is what I used with my students and still use today when I work with people learning to shoot.

    This website even addresses cross-dominance, something I seem to remember you mentioned in a prior post.

    The sights should not be that big of a deal if you are shooting combat type stuff since you really will not use them much in real life. Now, if you are doing real target type shooting, then it might be an issue.

    I somehow knew you were going to say that you want "stopping power." There is no such thing when it comes to handguns. If you want to really stop someone or something, get a shotgun and load it with buckshot or slugs. Or get a rifle.

    Caliber is a secondary concern if you can hit what you aim at. Since you are still learning to shoot, I recommend you stick with the 9mm. If you really feel like you must have a .45, worry about whihc to get later on.

    My advice is to shoot the Cougar as much as you can and work on the basics. Start with your stance. Try the modified Weaver and make sure to extend your strong side arm all the way. Also, make sure you check your grip too.

    Do a little research and find some photos on the web of the correct grip. Once you have that down, try this: hold your weapon in your strong hand and squeeze hard enough that the weapon starts to shake. Then ease up just enought that it stops shaking. That is how firm you want to grip your weapon. Make sure you use your support hand correctly and wrap it around the strong hand, not under it.
    Thanks for the tip. i have today used modified weaver and i feel i am shooting better . well, i believe if a person is training for the self defense , he should not over rule any scenario. i believe, in any case (self defense) one should have gun with better sights. what do you think?

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    I am glad that some of this advice may help you. Like I said, the sights on your gun, unless they are not like the ones in the picture, are about as good as they get. I am not sure what to tell you. I am surprised you have trouble seeing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptarmigan View Post
    I am glad that some of this advice may help you. Like I said, the sights on your gun, unless they are not like the ones in the picture, are about as good as they get. I am not sure what to tell you. I am surprised you have trouble seeing them.
    sir, have u seen sights on taurus 619 ? well they are also three dot. but the three dot sights on my stoeger cougar are some how different from the taurus 619.stoeger sights are slightly smaller than the sights you showed on the pic and three dot sights of taurus 619. the front sight is thinner, and there is bigger gap btween the left and right of front sight in the aligned position. this makes it hard to settle the front sight between the rear sight evenly.

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    One of the keys with sights is that there is enough daylight on both sides of the front sight to make it obvious at speed. A cramped sight picture is hard to see properly when shooting fast.

    Regarding "stopping power," if one is limited to ball ammo - as one may be in Pakistan - I think a .45 is indeed a better choice. I do not know what availability of HPs exists in Pakistan. It may be slim.

    That said, if I found myself in Pakistan, I'd carry an AK.
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    Regarding your sights; according the Stoeger website the sights in the picture are what should be on your Cougar.

    In other words, the picture is of the sights on a Cougar. I am wondering why yours would be different.

    Anyway, why is it not possible to buy different sights in Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    One of the keys with sights is that there is enough daylight on both sides of the front sight to make it obvious at speed. A cramped sight picture is hard to see properly when shooting fast.

    Regarding "stopping power," if one is limited to ball ammo - as one may be in Pakistan - I think a .45 is indeed a better choice. I do not know what availability of HPs exists in Pakistan. It may be slim.

    That said, if I found myself in Pakistan, I'd carry an AK.
    dont you think that target is place above the aligned sights and not in front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeeshan View Post
    dont you think that target is place above the aligned sights and not in front?
    Not if you're shooting at people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptarmigan View Post
    Regarding your sights; according the Stoeger website the sights in the picture are what should be on your Cougar.

    In other words, the picture is of the sights on a Cougar. I am wondering why yours would be different.

    Anyway, why is it not possible to buy different sights in Pakistan?
    accessories option is very limited here. the handgun option is very limited because most of guns from usa or europe are only smuggled here because no european or american manufacturer sells guns to pakistan

    we civilians dont have good guns to protect ourselves and our families. do you think its fair ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Not if you're shooting at people.
    can you please explain whats the difference and why?

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    In a fight you simply paste the front sight over the guy's chest and press the trigger. There's no careful deliberation, as when shooting a nice nonthreatening bullseye target. There is not time to judge, "Geez, my sights are set for 4 inches above point of aim at 25 yards, so I will hold at the bottom of the circle."

    Lay the sights on the guy and shoot him to the ground.
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    Zeeshan,

    You already gave the impression that your Stoeger is one of your favored guns and you even recommended it to somebody on another thread here but now it seems that you're complaining about it. Just point the darn thing and shoot and be prepared to fire every round in the magazine if necessary and to reload if necessary.

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    Zeeshan,

    I am still a little confused and now of the opinion that your posts are a tad bit suspect.

    As unpecador pointed out, you are critical of the Cougar in some posts and in another you recommend it as the only choice.

    Also, you write that gun laws are very restrictive in Pakistan but you have told us about at least five different weapons you have owned and returned.

    Are you telling me that you are buying illegally obtained firearms? Based on what you write and how often you post, it sounds like you run out and buy new guns on a regular basis and then somehow get to try them out right away.

    You must be very wealthy if you can trade firearms and shoot them on such a regular basis in a country where, according to you, they are hard to get due to restrictions on the importation of most makes.

    I am not calling you a troll, but with all due respect, your posts do not paint an altogether believable picture.

    If I am wrong, I do apologize, and of course you have no obligation to dispute any of this with any background or information about yourself. However, I for one will not reply to your posts any longer until you convince me that you are on the level.

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    1. i am not fimiliar with the expression "tad bit suspect".what does it mean?
    secondly, i am always getting the feeling of comtempt , skeptism, and aversion from some of the guys on this thread. i feel like the victim of witch hunt and discrimination.

    2. yes, i recommend stoeger subjectively, where i feel i need to advice any person who is being advised the gun , i feel is not superior to stoeger.
    and i criticise stoeger because i feel that there must a handgun out there with better specs.i just express what i feel with all my honesty.

    3.i get a few firearms , paying thrice what i should be really paying from them( gun dealers have only very little number of imported guns left with them as exports from europe and usa to pakistan have been stopped for quite some time now).

    you guys have no i dea how much search to locate a fire arms, which is just like an antiqque here and how much i have to pay my hard earned money to get them.
    i am sorry but i am as sensitive as any one of u guys. i am a human being just like you guys. i have passion for good handguns like you guys. but, unlike you guys , i am deprieved of right to fullfill my passion according to my desire.

    i am hurt, and i have full freadom of expresion. this is my birth right and i believe its the birth right of every man. see all my threads and posts on this forum. not once i have criticised or made any skeptic or sarcastic remark to any person yet, i had to faced full barrage of it. i still respect you guys as in our culture , we respect anyone who teaches anything or gives any knowledge. i am thankfull to you for you gave me knowledge.

    i am hurt because rather than empathy i faced skeptism, sarcism, and many other things for which i am ignorant of the right expression or words to express them.

    sir, i am not a criminal. ia m not into any sort of illegal activities. i am as law abiding citizen like any one of you guys. you know people its just now i have felt the essence and soul of late martin luther kings famous "i have a dream" speech. today, i know how he must have felt. i am happy that you are having good things around you in yor respective countries. one day , my country will also prosper and develop. there are never constant highs or lows in the world .its the biggest lesson of history.

    by saying all that i dont demand any pity but just common respect. and i will never ask anyone to convince me that he or she is credible enough to deserve my audience/company. i believe everyone should be respected and honored.

    i speak my heart out . yes, i was expecting the descency of empathy about how we the pakistanis are denied to protect ourselves and our families by arms export restriction. yes, i was expecting some support and appreciation for my enthusiasm for handguns , which i used to believe is also a passion of my respected fellow members in this forum.

    God bless you all
    zeeshan(from pakistan)

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