Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 24
  1. #1
    NITROEXPRESS's Avatar
    NITROEXPRESS is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    England
    Posts
    26

    .357mag Revolver

    Hi all, Ive managed to get permission to buy a revolver but the police wont allow me to have a .44mag and have restricted me to a .357mag. I was going to use snakeshot for when I was in Africa and have it as a companion when hunting in Alaska. I really need some feedback on which pistol & ammo to use. Should I go for a short barrel of 2 - 3" or a 4 - 6" and how will this effect my shot pattern? I dont have a budget, just want something of quality!

  2. #2
    Mosquito's Avatar
    Mosquito is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    61
    Quote Originally Posted by NITROEXPRESS View Post
    Hi all, Ive managed to get permission to buy a revolver but the police wont allow me to have a .44mag and have restricted me to a .357mag. I was going to use snakeshot for when I was in Africa and have it as a companion when hunting in Alaska. I really need some feedback on which pistol & ammo to use. Should I go for a short barrel of 2 - 3" or a 4 - 6" and how will this effect my shot pattern? I dont have a budget, just want something of quality!
    Definitely go for the longer barrel. You will find recoil more manageable, and you will have better accuracy for targets her out. As far as quality, I'd go for a S&W. Check into the model 686 or the model 627. If you get the chance, rent them out first and find the model that works best for you.

    As far as ammo, a 158 grain hollow point (or more powerful) would be the only choice if you are bringing it to Alaska.

  3. #3
    Water-Man's Avatar
    Water-Man is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    N. Georgia
    Posts
    49
    I like the Ruger GP-100 - 6"barrel - 180 grain ammo

  4. #4
    NITROEXPRESS's Avatar
    NITROEXPRESS is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    England
    Posts
    26
    Has anyone used corbon 200grain hard cast bullets for the .357mag or is there anything else more powerfull in .357 to use for wilderness protection?

  5. #5
    Wyatt's Avatar
    Wyatt is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    The Naked City
    Posts
    713
    I agree with Mosquito, S&W quality is legendary.

    I own a 4" 686+ (7 shots). Great mountain gun. I would definitely go with nothing shorter. If you are using it as a hunting companion, but are actually taking game with a long gun, then the 4" would work well as it is easier to tote around all day on the hip than a 6". Also easier to draw if needed in a hurry. For hunting with a handgun the 6" would definitely be better. From what I understand, from a threat standpoint about the only thing a 357 would be iffy on in Alaska is a bear, but I wouldn't be in the wilds of Alaska with only a handgun anyway so the point is mute for me. As for Africa, man there are all sorts of predators out there and I am not versed enough to advise on caliber or ammo. Again, you wouldn't catch me without a rifle or three. In that regard, though Man vs. Wild is a cool show, I think that Bear Grylls is nuts.

    I'm sure some of the serious hunters will come along shortly to advise.

  6. #6
    gmaske's Avatar
    gmaske is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    1,071
    I have a Smith & Wesson 586 which is the blued steel version of the 686 with a 6" barrel. The longer the barrel the more you will get from the bullets you use. If I was limited to one 357 I'd buy a Colt Python with a 4 or 6 inch barrel. To me they are the most beautiful modern revolver ever made. You'll have to pick one up used though as they are no longer made. To me they are the top of the pile when it comes to the 357 Mag. Nothing comes close except maybe the S&W 586/686.

  7. #7
    OMSBH44 is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Santa Teresa, NM
    Posts
    234
    I noticed you said the police would not let you get a .44 mag. Why?

    I am sure happy we here in the States don't have to get permission to
    purchase handguns! Not yet, anyway.

    If you are limited to a .357, I would suggest a Ruger as the best available.
    If all you wish to use the gun for is hunting, get a Ruger single action. You
    can't go wrong there.

  8. #8
    Charlie's Avatar
    Charlie is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Kerr County Texas
    Posts
    2,838
    Quote Originally Posted by gmaske View Post
    I have a Smith & Wesson 586 which is the blued steal version of the 686 with a 6" barrel. The longer the barrel the more you will get from the bullets you use. If I was limited to one 357 I'd buy a Colt Python with a 4 or 6 inch barrel. To me they are the most beautiful modern revolver ever made. You'll have to pick one up used though as they are no longer made. To me they are the top of the pile when it comes to the 357 Mag. Nothing comes close except maybe the S&W 586/686.
    +1 on the Colt Python. If you could find a Colt Trooper model it would be a little cheaper.

  9. #9
    TOF's Avatar
    TOF
    TOF is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Northern Arizona
    Posts
    3,015
    I prefer the 4" GP100. That is what I own. It should work just fine for snake shot and is acceptable for Black Bear.

    A 4" revolver can be manipulated a bit faster than a 6" version. If it is for up close last ditch effort faster is good.

    .357 is not, in my opinion, enough gun for back country Alaska.

    For Alaska: If you can not carry a larger revolver beg borrow or steal a legal but short barrel 12 Guage shotgun and strap it to your back with one of those new fangled rigs that I can't remember the name of.
    Load it with hot slugs.

    Whatever you use test it thoroughly cause the Bear in Alaska don't wait for you to get it right.


  10. #10
    gmaske's Avatar
    gmaske is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    1,071
    "Whatever you use test it thoroughly cause the Bear in Alaska don't wait for you to get it right."

    Boy that's the honest to God Truth.
    If you are doing a guide thing perhaps you could "RENT" one from your guide????

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Lexington
    Posts
    1,083
    GET A .50 BMG!!! That way you can pick bears off at 800 meters and they won't have a clue what hit 'em!

  12. #12
    ajs510 is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    20
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyatt View Post
    In that regard, though Man vs. Wild is a cool show, I think that Bear Grylls is nuts.

    I'm sure some of the serious hunters will come along shortly to advise.
    You might find this video interesting as it pertains to Bear Grylls...he doesn't put himself in half as much danger as he and his producers would like you to think...

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is

    Also, I'd be absolutely shocked if at least one or two of the cameramen, production staff, etc tagging along with him aren't packing. Despite the fact that the premise of the show is "a man alone in the wilderness", he's got quite a few people with him during filming. As the video shows, quite often "the wilderness" isn't exactly accurate either.

    Here's another one that's kind of damning to the show, although I obviously can't vouch for the authenticity of any of the criticisms made since it isn't my video or my research.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=p0qyKyWaNEQ&feature=related

    Here's a wiki site that's also very critical of the show and it's authenticity, the allegations are backed up in many cases by unnamed members of his crew.

    http://www.daughtersoftiresias.org/bearwiki/Evidence
    Last edited by ajs510; 05-15-2008 at 05:14 AM. Reason: Added material

  13. #13
    Wyatt's Avatar
    Wyatt is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    The Naked City
    Posts
    713
    Yeah, AJS, I know he has an awful alot of assistance. When you see those disclaimers you know he's not really out there alone. Plus I don't believe for an instant that he knows every bug and plant that's edible or poison all over the world. But I do find the show informative an entertaining, none the less. Whether he has all that knowledge off the top of his head or not I find it interesting how to use native materials to build shelter, how to tell where the water is, etc.

    But basically it is obvious it's not all it seems to be because he's unfirearmed!!!

    That other show (Survivorman?) I believe the guy is actually alone. But I watched it a couple of times and that guy just seems to be a doofus. Like an episode where (now this may not be exactly what happened but it was of this nature) he's hungry and he comes across a 1/2 eaten PB and jelly sandwich left from a girl scout troop outing and a discarded tarp for shelter. Bwahaahaa!!!! Yeah, he's so far out in the wilderness but the scouts are camping there and there's litter all over the place.

  14. #14
    guimoman is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    49
    Lol at bear grilles... he's a twit. Survivorman though is much much cooler. The fact that he's there alone and carries all his equipment is bad ass. So sure his team is never more then 2 hours away but hey he's got to have a safety net, and at least he tries! I havn't seen the pb and j episode but he's eaten rotten meat at least three times... ROTTEN meat!!!! The man's hardcore... at least 15X more hardcore then grilles.

  15. #15
    ajs510 is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    20
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyatt View Post
    That other show (Survivorman?) I believe the guy is actually alone. But I watched it a couple of times and that guy just seems to be a doofus. Like an episode where (now this may not be exactly what happened but it was of this nature) he's hungry and he comes across a 1/2 eaten PB and jelly sandwich left from a girl scout troop outing and a discarded tarp for shelter. Bwahaahaa!!!! Yeah, he's so far out in the wilderness but the scouts are camping there and there's litter all over the place.
    I honestly don't watch either show anymore because the whole Bear thing turned me off so much, but I do remember Survivorman leaving the camera behind for one long tracking shot so it could capture him way off in the distance.

    I only remember because he was complaining later on about how the downfall of being all alone was that he had to walk all the way back to retrieve the camera...lol.

    I guess Survivorman wins the authenticity award, but I'll concede that Bear's show was more entertaining to watch, even though it's chock-full of poor advice, fake scenarios and outright lies for the sake of entertainment. Kinda like MacGyver in the woods, come to think of it...lol.

  16. #16
    PhilR. is offline Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    982
    Quote Originally Posted by NITROEXPRESS View Post
    restricted me to a .357mag. I was going to use snakeshot for when I was in Africa and have it as a companion when hunting in Alaska.
    I think you are barking up the wrong tree with a .357. Using snakeshot doesn't require a .357, as they are pretty much .38 loads anyway. A lightweight snubby .38 will be a *lot* easier to carry around, and will utilize shotshells just fine. If I get a chance, I'll try to take a pic of a pattern from my wife's .38 snubby.

    Also, a .357 is also not enough gun for backcountry Alaska. Not trying to rain on your parade, but IMO a .357 is pretty much useless for your stated purposes.

    PhilR.

  17. #17
    NITROEXPRESS's Avatar
    NITROEXPRESS is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    England
    Posts
    26
    I totally agree! I would have gone for .44mag minimum, allowing a lot more snakeshot and having just enough poke as a backup but the police said it was too big. My idea is to get a foot in the door so to speak with the .357 and argue again at a later date for something more suitable rather than get a rejection and end up with nothing. The crazy thing is Englands gun crime is rocketing so the pistol ban has'nt worked in the least.

    What is the opinion on Smith and Wesson scandium alloy frames? Really like the idea of a 4" 327PD weighing 24oz if iam carrying it all day.

  18. #18
    kenn's Avatar
    kenn is offline Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    291
    Can you rent or get outfitted with a 500, 454 Casull or something when you get to Alaska? I would ask their forestry service on firearms policies for non-US residents.

    For 2 legged predators, a 357 is perfect.

  19. #19
    NITROEXPRESS's Avatar
    NITROEXPRESS is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    England
    Posts
    26
    Thats definitely an option but I do alot in Africa and want one of my own.

  20. #20
    PhilR. is offline Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    982
    Quote Originally Posted by NITROEXPRESS View Post
    My idea is to get a foot in the door so to speak with the .357 and argue again at a later date for something more suitable rather than get a rejection and end up with nothing.

    What is the opinion on Smith and Wesson scandium alloy frames? Really like the idea of a 4" 327PD weighing 24oz if iam carrying it all day.
    Sounds like a plan, which is certainly better than not having one.

    As Kenn mentioned, a .357 would be a great choice for two-legged predators. I have a scandium 386 (2.5", seven shot) for just such a purpose. It's substantially bulkier than a J-frame, but it's still fairly lightweight nonetheless, and that little bit of extra weight and grip size makes it a pleasure to shoot even full-house loads. What surprised me greatly about this pistol is how good the trigger is. It is almost match level in it's crispness and overtravel (there is none).

    If you are going to carry your .357 a lot and shoot much less, then you might get a J-frame. However, if you aren't going to carry and will use it as a home defense weapon or range gun, then a conventional steel or scandium K or L frame (or a Ruger or Colt) will do just fine, and be much more pleasurable to shoot.

    For me, since I carry but don't have to be concerned with large animal defense, my 386 Sc/S is the perfect compromise - light enough to carry, big enough to shoot comfortably, powerful enough for defense use against humans, and of course utterly reliable (so far). I wouldn't carry it for shotshell use however, as we can always use my wife's 642 J-frame for that.....

    PhilR.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Search tags for this page

.50 bmg revolver
,
3 inch gp100
,
357 mag 180 gr hard cast for woods protection
,
357 mag for alaska
,

357 mag revolver forum

,
357 mag revolver parts
,
backcountry handguns
,
best handgun for snakes
,
best pistol for backcountry protection
,
best revolver ever
,
best snake revolver
,
colt python vs 586
Click on a term to search for related topics.

» Springfield Armory

» HGF Sponsors

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v4.2.1