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    Concealed comparo - springfield arms vs taurus

    Hello. Brand new to the forum.

    Im interested in buying a gun for personal protection/concealed carry.

    I have been concidering the two following:

    Springfield Arms XD Sub-Compact .40 S&W

    Taurus Millennium Pro Compact .40 or .45 ACP. (suggestions?)

    I want a short barrel (less than 3.5), both fit that.
    Taurus lacks the palm pressure switch, the lower rail, some weight and the heafty price tag of the XD. But the XD can hold more rounds (with ext grip) and has the good palm pressure switch.

    At first glance it appears that the XD is the clear winner BUT It doesnt come in a .45 acp which would be my preferred round, its 8-12 oz heavier, and $200 more.

    Before making a purchase I will try to find someone to let me shoot their's and or rent one of each to shoot but I would like to kinda compare them on paper before actually trying to find a particular gun.

    Thanks in advance.

    P.S. If you know of a alternate in .45 acp, with 3.5" or less barrel, holds 9+ rounds feel free to suggest some. If i get .40 it will be the XD more than likely but the .45 im a little more open to suggestions.

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    Howdy from North Dallas

    Welcome to the Forum from Texas.
    Have you looked at the Para LDA?

    http://www.gunsamerica.com/923391495...ARRY_45ACP.htm

    Kinda pricey, but if you were a 1911 style fan - it would be the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metzzen1 View Post
    Hello. Brand new to the forum.
    Welcome to the forum!

    Quote Originally Posted by Metzzen1 View Post
    I want a short barrel (less than 3.5), both fit that.
    Taurus lacks the palm pressure switch, the lower rail, some weight and the heafty price tag of the XD. But the XD can hold more rounds (with ext grip) and has the good palm pressure switch.
    I'm assuming that by palm pressure switch you're referring to the grip safety. As the current owner of a XD40 and with a XD9SC on the way (hopefully it will get here by next week), let me say the grip safety is nothing. Once you have a good grip on the gun, whether to shoot or draw, the safety is deactivated. I think it's more of a marketing gimic than a practical feature. The light rail again means nothing if you're going to carry concealed as there are very few holsters out there that will accommodate a gun with a light/laser mounted on it. Additionally, if you're going to be carrying concealed, you're not going to be using the extended grip on the XD as you will probably want a shorter grip that conceals better than a full size grip; so take that out of the "plus" category.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metzzen1 View Post
    At first glance it appears that the XD is the clear winner BUT It doesnt come in a .45 acp which would be my preferred round, its 8-12 oz heavier, and $200 more.
    Just out of curiosity, why the preference for the .45 over the .40 or even the 9mm? Is the preference based on your personal experience or what you have read on other forums and magazines? No disrespect to your choice, I'm just always curious when new members ask opinions about a gun and immediately want a .45, because unfortunately a lot of them have fallen into the stopping power trap pushed so hard by gun mags.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metzzen1 View Post
    Before making a purchase I will try to find someone to let me shoot their's and or rent one of each to shoot ...
    Definitely do that!
    Last edited by Todd; 05-07-2008 at 01:43 PM.

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    XD. Better trigger and more reliable.
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    Taurus PT145 and 140 both have accessory rails built in. They also have a second strike capability In case of a bad or improperly seated primer issue. No one else has that. Xd you have to rack the slide. The Taurus has a conventional safety trigger safety and a striker lockout safety with a key.
    I have 500rds through mine which I bought 2 weeks ago. No problems at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metzzen1 View Post
    I want a short barrel (less than 3.5)...
    palm pressure switch [grip safety.sic]...
    the lower rail...
    .45 acp which would be my preferred round...
    holds 9+ rounds...
    Para Ordnance Lite Hawg


    .45 ACP
    3" barrel
    beavertail safety
    rail
    10+1 rounds
    31.5 oz + mag

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    Nice little Para, how much?

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    XD subcompact has a rail, if for some reason someone wants to bulk up a small concealment pistol.

    Second strike capability is overrated in my opinion. Misfires with premium factory centerfire ammo are exceedingly rare, and anyway another hit on a bad primer is no guarantee of ignition. Tap-Rack-Bang is a much better option. People have somehow managed to survive with 1911s for a century, after all.

    A profusion of mechanical safeties does not make a pistol any safer than another. Only a safe shooter does.
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    I'd go with the XD, even though a subcompact in .45 doesn't exist. If you get a short barreled 45, you'll have to get into the debates on slower velocities resulting in not so perfect expansion. The .40 doesn't have this issue.

    The Taurus MilPro has a really long trigger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I think it's more of a marketing gimic than a practical feature.
    It reduces the chances of an accidental discharge if you're handling the gun and you don't have a good grip on it. Or if your shirt or jacket gets caught in the trigger when holstering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by propellerhead View Post
    It reduces the chances of an accidental discharge if you're handling the gun and you don't have a good grip on it.
    That would properly be called a negligent discharge, since one would have to place one's finger on the trigger to cause ignition. This would be a direct violation of Rule Three ("keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target").

    Or, as I prefer it, keep your booger hook off the bang switch.

    Or if your shirt or jacket gets caught in the trigger when holstering.
    Gun Carry 101 should teach you to keep all foreign objects clear of the trigger guard when holstering. This is no great trick.
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    Have you tried the XD45 compact? I'd give it a try and see how well it conceals for you. I'm a big guy so I could hide a barrett .50 BMG on my person...but the XD45c conceals well for me, plus it's a great gun to shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by propellerhead View Post
    It reduces the chances of an accidental discharge if you're handling the gun and you don't have a good grip on it. Or if your shirt or jacket gets caught in the trigger when holstering.

    Sorry PH, but I think the two reasons you just gave is nothing but an excuse, especially for novice shooters, to exercise sloppy gun handling instead of learning the proper way to handle a firearm. I will have 2 XD's by the end of next week, so it goes without saying that I think it's a good gun. But I stand by my statement that the grip safety is a marketing ploy and probably something SA came up with to separate it a bit from the Glock that does not have the grip safety.

    Just because the gun has a grip safety, it's not an excuse to throw safe handling practices out the window. The best safeties out there are your brain and your finger. You shouldn't be handling a gun without a good grip on it and your finger should be no where near the trigger unless you've got a target in your sights. And when holstering the weapon, all clothing needs to be well clear of the holster. These are basis rules. You can never rely on, or replace safe handling skills with, any sort of safety or mechanical device. And given your past posts, I know you know that.

    I think it would be irresponsible for us, as shooters with moderate to advanced skill levels and knowledge, to even suggest to new shooters that all the marketing and gizmos out there can replace the basics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    probably something SA came up with to separate it a bit from the Glock that does not have the grip safety.
    I also suspect that, since the XD is a single action pistol, some type of external safety was required to meet GCA '68 import criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joeywhat View Post
    Have you tried the XD45 compact? I'd give it a try and see how well it conceals for you. I'm a big guy so I could hide a barrett .50 BMG on my person...but the XD45c conceals well for me, plus it's a great gun to shoot.
    What are you, Paul Bunyan?

    I was thinking the same thing, but the OP said he wanted a 3.5" or shorter barrel and the XD has a 4".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I also suspect that, since the XD is a single action pistol, some type of external safety was required to meet GCA '68 import criteria.
    Ah yes, that's what I was thinking as well.

    OK, serious question for you because I'm stumped now, Mr. Uber-Glock man; If your theory is correct, how does Glock get away with importing their guns with only the trigger safety and SA had to add the grip safety? Is the Glock categorized as DA? Does the trigger safety mechanics of the Glock differ enough for it to not need the the extra safety as far as the GCA '68 is concerned?

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    ATF classifies the Glock as DA-only, since the trigger completes the cocking action of the striker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Sorry PH, but I think the two reasons you just gave is nothing but an excuse, especially for novice shooters, to exercise sloppy gun handling instead of learning the proper way to handle a firearm. I will have 2 XD's by the end of next week, so it goes without saying that I think it's a good gun. But I stand by my statement that the grip safety is a marketing ploy and probably something SA came up with to separate it a bit from the Glock that does not have the grip safety.

    Just because the gun has a grip safety, it's not an excuse to throw safe handling practices out the window. The best safeties out there are your brain and your finger. You shouldn't be handling a gun without a good grip on it and your finger should be no where near the trigger unless you've got a target in your sights. And when holstering the weapon, all clothing needs to be well clear of the holster. These are basis rules. You can never rely on, or replace safe handling skills with, any sort of safety or mechanical device. And given your past posts, I know you know that.

    I think it would be irresponsible for us, as shooters with moderate to advanced skill levels and knowledge, to even suggest to new shooters that all the marketing and gizmos out there can replace the basics.
    Preach on brutha man!!! Can I get a hell yea?!

    No one said anything about throwing out gun safety practices. The additional passive safety simply reduces risks in cases where other mechanical safeties and the human factor might fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    ATF classifies the Glock as DA-only, since the trigger completes the cocking action of the striker.
    Ahhhhh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by propellerhead View Post
    Preach on brutha man!!! Can I get a hell yea?!

    No one said anything about throwing out gun safety practices. The additional passive safety simply reduces risks in cases where other mechanical safeties and the human factor might fail.
    HELL YEAH!

    I know you didn't say throw out safe handling practices and I apologize if you think I was insinuating it. I just think it's poor form on the parts of the gun manufacturers to give the false illusion through marketing of "safety features" (Taurus' Security System immediately comes to mind as well as the XD Grip safety) that the mechanics of the gun make the gun safe and will compensate for lack of knowledge. I further think that we as more experienced shooters need to dispel this myth when new shooters come asking for advice.
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    woh

    I like the .45 because I have more options as far as ammo. I shot a few of these calibers, .40, 44 mag, .45 ACP in different brands and between 5 or so different brands i liked the way the .45 felt the best. I felt like it was.....harder recoil but almost slower.... Maybe im crazy.

    I have kinda discounted 9 mm because I had a glock 9mm before and didnt like it. Most 9mm's I have shot left me feeling like I would be underpowered when I needed it most. My mentality is bigger bullet makes bigger hole.

    I have a buddy who sells guns and he is givin me a pretty decent discount on any springfield arms guns, or anything he carries for that matter. I think Im down to deciding between a XD .45 (4") or the sub compact in .40.

    I think what will make my decision is how they shoot. Ill see when I can get out to the range.

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