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      My Kimber Ultra CDP-II in 9mm is a sweet gun .Do some of you that own one find that one particular type of ammo runs the best ?

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      Pawpaul,

      Nice gun! I personally shoot just about anything including my reloads in all my kimbers without any problems. I have shot Winchester, Remington, Federal, Tul, CCI Blazer, and my reloads with both jacketed and solid lead bullets my Super Carry, Ultra Carry, and Solo have not had a problem with any of them.

      Hope this help!

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      I too own and fire a Kimbe older Ultra Carry .45 nice but, expensive to shoot for fun.. I'd say I'm proficient with it at the range but, ammo to costly to really play on my part!

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      Quote Originally Posted by TMN View Post
      I personally get tired of all the Kimber Bashing that goes on. The vast majority of it comes from people who have never owned a Kimber. I am not sure why! I own many different guns by different manufacturers. They all have there good and not so good points.
      Anybody that is familiar with Kimber from the start will tell you they had alot of problems at the end of the first generation or it started in the second.For quite some years now top name pistolsmiths would not want to do a full house build on one.I see a little more work being done on them but I don't ever recall seeing a full build on one in many years.Most of the problems were substandard parts,but a few were major screwups like miscut feedramps in the frame.It appears they've gotten better recently but I gave up keeping track,I have reserve about paying what they want and only get a year warranty when others think enough of their product to go a lifetime warranty.If yours is fine great,it will serve you well.

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      Kimber spent a lot of time and money reengineering their three-inch 1911 style pistols. There is a well-known problem associated with the short travel and the ejection timing associated with all autos with a barrel this short. Kimber, by far, has the best solution so far for this. The trigger apparatus that they came up with to solve this, while less-than-perfect is fantastic! This has been well published by several authoritative handgun publications, so you don't have to take my word for it. Look it up, I think you'll be pleased.

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      What is this trigger apparatus?Do you mean the firing pin block safety?If that's it,it is a modified Swartz design and is a poorer design than Colt's 80 series levers.Also in their infinate wisdom they opted to use the 80 series firing pin stop.Because of that pushrods have been ruined and some have even jambed up the gun on reassembly.Try cleaning the plunger,you have to remove the rear sight to get it out and Kimber sights can be a real bear to remove.Colt got it right but I think they should pay a little more attention to the timing.I do give Kimber that,they seem to have a little less of an issue on timing.

      The problem with short 1911s is the gun was never designed for it,but they do work because Colt shrunk them down long before Kimber existed.All you need to do is control the slide speed and get the case out of the gun sooner so there's time for the next round to pop up.I personally have no use for micro pistols,I see it as a silly fad unless your buisness dictates very deep cover for certain missions.I'm sure others disagree but that's the way I see it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Shithot View Post
      Kimber spent a lot of time and money reengineering their three-inch 1911 style pistols. There is a well-known problem associated with the short travel and the ejection timing associated with all autos with a barrel this short. Kimber, by far, has the best solution so far for this. The trigger apparatus that they came up with to solve this, while less-than-perfect is fantastic! This has been well published by several authoritative handgun publications, so you don't have to take my word for it. Look it up, I think you'll be pleased.



      It's been thrown.

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      I have a .45acp Ultra TLE III. I have significant loading issues with FIOCCHI JHP rounds in Tripp magazines. The same rounds load just fine in Wilson Combat magazines. I also have some loading issues when I tried PMC FMJ rounds. Tripp is supposed to be the best mag on the market and I bought ten 8 round magazines before trying one - big mistake. Before I sell these on ebay, I tried putting Wilson Combat follower and springs in the Tripp magazines and they still won't load. I moved the Tripp follower and spring over to the Wilson Combat magazines and the same round loads just fine. So I'm convinced that the problem is related to the Tripp mag lips. I have similar loading issues with my Bushmaster 6.8mm SPC and I fixed the problem by bending the mag lips a little to allow the bullet to ride higher in the mag. The only difference I can see between the Tripp and Wilson Combat is that there seems to be some nose diving with the Tripp magazines. The FIOCCHI JHP load just fine in my Glock 21 Gen 4. My Kimber loading ramp is not polished but the transition looks really smooth. I wonder is I'm the only one with this problem. Aside from this one issue, I have a conceal carry permit and carry my Kimber everywhere.

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      Nosedives are a common problem in 1911s on the top 2 rounds of a full mag.If you look at the top round there's a gap between it and the other round,that's what causes it.The more rounds that come out of the mag,the more that gap goes away.HP is the worst about it but if the feedramp is cut properly they will normally run.Your feedramp may be shallow,which is nothing new for Kimber.The bottom of the ramp should be at the bottom of the slidestop window,any higher and the rounds can catch.

      Another problem is mag catch or the mag's catch hole out of spec,EGW makes a mag catch that holds the mag .020"higher to help with the issue.Personally I think your issue is an out of spec mag tube.

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      Check out this article on 1911 feeding problems.

      Quote Originally Posted by rex View Post
      Nosedives are a common problem in 1911s on the top 2 rounds of a full mag.If you look at the top round there's a gap between it and the other round,that's what causes it.The more rounds that come out of the mag,the more that gap goes away.HP is the worst about it but if the feedramp is cut properly they will normally run.Your feedramp may be shallow,which is nothing new for Kimber.The bottom of the ramp should be at the bottom of the slidestop window,any higher and the rounds can catch.

      Another problem is mag catch or the mag's catch hole out of spec,EGW makes a mag catch that holds the mag .020"higher to help with the issue.Personally I think your issue is an out of spec mag tube.
      Although it didn't help guide me to a modification to my Tripp mags, I thought this was a good read.

      1911 Magazine Analysis: Feeding Time

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      I haven't had a chance to read all that yet,but did you try just 7 rounds?8 rounds stuffed in a 7rd mag tube can be finnicky but most modern mags have a longer tube to prevent cramming the spring in such a small area.

      If you aren't going to return them (if you can?),compare them to the Wilson and a factory mag.First measure them to see if the mag catch hole is located right.Don't worry so much about highth off the base,but distance from the top of the hole to the feed lips to make sure the rounds aren't sitting lower in the gun.

      Then start looking at the lips.First make sure the inside edge is smooth and not sharp or rough,a few swipes of 600 sandpaper will polish it up if needed.Then start comparing the lip geometry because I don't have any of the Tripps and don't know what their lip design is.Wilsons are an uncontrolled feed because the early release actually pops the round up into the breechface,that's how they cured the hangups with the original taper lip design.

      1911s can be tempramental with mags,it may just not like them.I've had Wilsons not work in 2 guns but factory,the old Pachmayers and McCormics worked just fine.If all else fails,you'll have to return them or sell them to buy more Wilsons.

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      I have an Ultra Carry II with appx 2000 rds down the pipe. It has failed,maybe, 20 times. So few I figure it was the ammo or occasional limp wristing. It is accurate cold or hot and needed no break in period. It has the Crimson laser that I virtually never use because the accuracy with the iron sites is good enough. I use the mag that came with it and another Kimber mag I added and both are very good. It is the most reliable auto I have but I don't have much trouble with my autos. I attribute this to luck combined with through cleaning. Based on my experience I have no problem recommending Kimbers. You pay up some but they are worth it.

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      A new wife is a lot more expensive! lol

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      I have had an original Ultra Carry for many years. I had two failures to feed with my first box of ammo...none since. It is one of my favorite carry guns, I totally trust it.

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      Several weeks ago I bought my first Kimber, a UC2. The biggest problem I had was grit, the gun arrived fairly sooty, and I had to detail strip it for a thorough cleaning and lube.

      (I also made the mistake of buying cheaper hardball, since I was just going to fire off a few hundred rounds for a routine break-in.)

      Once cleaned and lubed, the pistol settled in and gave reliable performance. But to be fair, there were perhaps four or five FTF, that's it. When I sorted out my magazines and fired some Hornady Critical Defense and Federal Guard Dog ammunition the handgun was 100% reliable.

      I will also add that this pistol was not purchased to be a "target gun." I bought it to carry, and once the break-in was completed, I bought a Bianchi holster and it has been my EDC, each day, every day.

      Before I purchased the firearm I was on another gun forum. I also ran into "Kimber prejudice," and I do not understand it.

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      I bought a Kimber Micro 380 a month ago. I put 300 rounds of hollow point through it without a single failure. At 50 feet I had a consistent group within a 3.5 inch radius. If I ever have to use it in a carry situation I'm reasonably sure my target will be closer than that. I hope I never have to use it to defend myself or others but if I do I have great confidence in it. The weapon is very light and it is good looking weapon.

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      Quote Originally Posted by PCZ View Post
      I bought a Kimber Micro 380 a month ago. I put 300 rounds of hollow point through it without a single failure. At 50 feet I had a consistent group within a 3.5 inch radius. If I ever have to use it in a carry situation I'm reasonably sure my target will be closer than that. I hope I never have to use it to defend myself or others but if I do I have great confidence in it. The weapon is very light and it is good looking weapon.
      I just bought one two weeks ago. The "Raptor" version. I haven't fired it yet. It's not my primary weapon for self defense. The real reason I bought it was because I was enamored by the looks of the damn thing. I was originally going to buy a Colt Mustang but there was no comparison between the two. The Kimber is just so much nicer and well worth the extra money at least in my opinion. I also have a Sig P238 HD all stainless. Also a nice gun, no issues. But I really like that Kimber, there's just something about it. It's not my only Kimber, I also have a Solo Carry 9mm, Super Carry Pro .45, and RCP II .45. No issues with any of them yet. I haven't put that many rounds through them either to be able to provide an honest assessment. They do appear to be well made regarding fit and finish although there have been some complaints regarding the "Kim Pro" finish, mostly the black finish on aluminum framed guns and the use of "MIM" parts. Except for the RCP II whose finish has held up well. I haven't carried mine that often to be able to judge the finish. My preference for every day carry are striker fired Glock's, Springfield's or my HK45C.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Raymond View Post
      I have a Pro Carry II and a Covert Kimber. Both guns are .45 acp. I have had zero jamming issues with either weapon. The Covert is my ccw. Love my Kimbers.
      Could not say enough good things about my Pro Carry II, but I no longer own it! I owned no other gun that my son shot as well as that Kimber! So when he asked if he could take it home, I had to say "Sure!" Round count would have to be in the thousands- failures can't recall any. Good product? No- outstanding product!

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      HHhmmmm , hesitate to weight in on this one. It will tend to get some folks knickers in a knot. Nowadays I mostly carry Sigs but still carry a 1911 from time to time and was rather a 1911 nut for many years , currently still own a Les Baer , 2 Springfields , a Gold Cup ,one Sig 1911 , the worlds only working Llama 1911 ( worn out and retired) and 3 Ed Brown offerings , an S.F, an Executive Carry and a Kobra Carry ( the two latter are of course Commander size)...........notice there are NO Kimbers , though at one point I had four at once. The only thing I ever had more trouble with than Kimbers offerings all came from Taurus.

      And in the general scheme of things there are a great many 3 inch 1911s that don't run real well , I have observed this at a variety of schools and courses including Front Sight and others. Quite frankly there are very good reasons why certain of the high end 1911 houses don't offer much below Commander size 1911s.

      Equally generally speaking , 1911s aren't a pistol that I recommend to pure novices , they are more of an *enthusiasts* weapon for those with some knowledge and ability as far as working on and tuning the specific unit.

      Folks who wish to own a " shoot it and forget it " sidearm should actually look elsewhere from 1911s , Glocks aren't my cup of tea personally but they work quite well for that purpose , as do Sigs , M and Ps and a number of other offerings.

      I've worked on quite a number of 3 inch 1911s for folks , from a number of makers , overall I'd say ( and this is only *my* opinion based on *my* experience....YMMV) the best units have been from Colt ( New Agent and Defender) and Springfield (Emp) and I'd have to advise avoidance of both Kimber and Para's 3 inch offerings , I will say that perhaps the S and W Pro offering is worth a close look , note that there HAS been some record of some feeding problems with the EMP. On the high end STI does off a 3 inch , one of the few high end makers that does but I have zero feedback on that unit as I have no direct experience with one. You will note that even the units I have cited as the best offerings ( in my experience) have some record of problems.

      I don't own a 1911 less than Commander length for a reason , I *require* reliability in a sidearm that I might carry , even if it will only be carried once in a blue moon. For those who have had good luck with their Kimbers , I'm glad that it turned out well for you , myself well I avoid them and feel that Kimber is a quite over-rated manufacturer. Again YMMV as may your opinion and I take no issue with that.

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