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    Can't keep them on the target!

    I really like my P11 and at distances up to about 7-8 yards it is pretty accurate-6"-8" groups.
    I am a LEO and have to qualify with the P11 at a final range distance of 25 yds. I'm a really having a hard time keeping them on the paper. The rounds are all hitting low but even worse, I can't keep them in a tight enough group to score in COM.
    I have run about 300 rnds. through the weapon with no FFE or FTF. Tried different brands and bullet types and even shooting from a rest and just no good.
    Bought it NIB.
    It's not about qualifying now, I am loosing confidence that if I have to make a shot and my sights are dead on the bullet may decide to go elsewhere.
    Is this range too much for my weapon?
    Any input will be welcome.

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    Try shooting from a bench rest. If you still have problems with accuracy, then you know its the gun, not you.

    You may want to consider a different gun to qualify with, if that is a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teach View Post
    Is this range too much for my weapon?
    Any input will be welcome.
    The Kel-Tecs are made for the self-defense market, where owners are not likely to go offensive. Self-defense shootings are usually at seven yards or less. If something is 25 yards away, it would highly unlikely that an average person would be shooting at it.

    An LEO or military person however is much more likely to go offensive, and is therefore much more likely to be shooting at targets further than seven yards. There is a reason why the average duty weapon is not something like a KT or Beretta Tomcat or Seecamp. It takes a regular sidearm in order to do what is often needed by an LEO.

    I believe that shooting a KT at 25 yards is not what it was intended to do, and therefore I believe that it is indeed asking too much of many self-defense weapons to shoot at offensive ranges. A better choice would be the "compact" versions of regular sidearms, such as a Glock 26 or Walther P99C or similar. Yes, they will cost more, but in this case you will most likely get the performance you need.

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    I have a good friend who is a retried training officer for a large metro city. He says and I quote " The KT-3AT is a smell their breath gun. You stick it in their face and pull the trigger twice. More if needed." He carries a KT and me and him shoot together once in a while. He is the best shooter I have every seen and he knows his guns. IMHO the KT is a 7' to 10' gun not yards. It's the last line of defense unless it's a close encounter.

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    I agree that the Kel-Tecs are self defense pistols and it is highly unlikely that I would fire one @25 yds. but that is what I am facing as a qualification to carry range.

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    I can't see the KT-pistol being able to hit with any kind of accuracy at 25yds. Unless you can get Bob Munden to give you lessons I would pick another gun for back up. Good luck and I wish you well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teach View Post
    I agree that the Kel-Tecs are self defense pistols and it is highly unlikely that I would fire one @25 yds. but that is what I am facing as a qualification to carry range.
    If that is the distance you are facing, then you are also facing the need to buy another pistol. We have to use the right tool for the job (yes, LEO's too), and the KT isn't it. Do yourself and your family a favor and get the appropriate tool for your needs. I would suggest looking at the Glock 26, which will conceal about as easily as would a P11. I can say without question that you will be able to qualify with one, as long as you do your part. You will also be purchasing one of the most reliable auto's out there.

    There is also the about to be released Walther PPS and the Beretta PX4Storm compact to consider as well, if you aren't in a hurry.

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    I don't understand it. Why do you have to qualify with a p-11. As a LEO you should only have a P-11 as a back-up and not a duty pistol. And if you have to qualify with your backup also then buy a new backup that you can qualify. Dang your life might depend on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilR. View Post
    If that is the distance you are facing, then you are also facing the need to buy another pistol. We have to use the right tool for the job (yes, LEO's too), and the KT isn't it. Do yourself and your family a favor and get the appropriate tool for your needs. I would suggest looking at the Glock 26, which will conceal about as easily as would a P11. I can say without question that you will be able to qualify with one, as long as you do your part. You will also be purchasing one of the most reliable auto's out there.

    There is also the about to be released Walther PPS and the Beretta PX4Storm compact to consider as well, if you aren't in a hurry.

    PhilR.
    I wouldn't trust my life to a pistol if I couldn't hit accurately and consistantly with. You do owe it to yourself and your loved ones to obtain a weapon that can outshoot you, not one you have to fight to gain the required results.
    You only pay for quality once, and you will be betting your life on it. What's that worth to you? The price difference between the two is not as much as the results or possible outcome from a flyer or a string of flyers that will hit something, probably not the intended target.
    If it was up to me LEO's could go buy the best duty and backup weapons on the planet and get reimbursed on the spot. In a perfect world yes, but sadly not in this world.

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    You are all correct. I own the P11 and have found it reliable and accurate to @7yds. and therein lies my problem. I have to use a holster like a Smartcarry as the is NO way I can use any type of IWB that shows ANY part of a weapon. When I was in narcotics, I carried Colts or Berettas stuck in my belt or sometimes a shoulder rig was ok. That won't get now.
    I am uncomfortable with the Glock trigger in a Smartcarry type holster---Too much to damage there.
    You are all right --I just need to find something compact, high capacity and .38 or larger and yes to some extent $ is an issue.
    Piece of cake, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teach View Post
    I just need to find something compact, high capacity and .38 or larger and yes to some extent $ is an issue.
    Piece of cake, right?
    Have you looked at the Springfield XD compacts? They have a grip safety, which would make it very suitable for deep concealment. BTW, have you looked at the TRUSS and Kangaroo holsters?

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    Why don't you get a used KAHR. I'd pick a 9 or .40 with a steel or alloy frame.

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    I Understand his dilema, some dept's make you qualify with the exact gun you intend to carry as your off duty piece, or back up. Even though you may not intend to engage a target at 25 yards the dept must show you are qualified with that weapon, even though its intended use is for defense at 10 ft or less. Too bad, the Keltec is a nice light concealable gun, for just that.

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