Originally Posted by Shipwreck

WHo says the 32 is only good for 7 feet? Granted, it isn't a range gun, but I practice at 10 and 15 feet all the time.

Now that I have had the gun longer, I decided not to spend the money on the Armalaser. I do think its kinda kewl. And, the company sells a holster that will work with it. I was temped to buy it, but decided not to spend the money on it.

I shoot my 32 at 25 feet all the time. On a standard silhouette I can make the person say ouch 7 times by holding center mass. As I said before it is better than a sharp bobbie pin.

Originally Posted by Shipwreck

I didn't bother as the gun isn't much to look at, and we all know what one looks like. But here:

Yup!!!
It's a P32!!
Kinda looks like mine...almost!!!

How do you guys find that Kel-Tec to be reliability-wise? I mean, would you put your life on it?

Can it fire 200+ rounds without malfunction? Is is decent quality?

They are about $250 around here...I want to get one...

Which ammo is usually cheaper, 380ACP or .32ACP? I noticed that 9mm is cheaper than both of the others...probably because of demand?

Is that why? The 9mm is much larger and likely costly to make...but then again, 9mm is the oldest current caliber bullet for auto pistols...

So with the .32 or 380, is either substantially cheaper than the other...worth getting the smaller bullet for?

32 and 380 are about neck and neck in the pricing structure, and either are more expensive than 9mm. I try to get up a bunch of brass in each caliber to make it less expensive but not everyone does that. It's just that these two calibers are not as common as 9mm, even if there are quite a few pistols that take the 32 and 380 round. As for the P-32, being that it never had an external safety since they were produced from the beginning, the pistol was selling quite well until the CA mandate on safety approved guns put a halt on their sales here about six years ago. The first generation models that rarely come up for private party sale are in the vicinty of 400 to 450 dollars for an excellent used one and 500 to 550 NIB. These off-list guns really put a strain on the wallets of us Californians.

Hey Ship, I have seen a couple of hard chromed in shops around the Tampa Bay area. Probably because they are made pretty close by, in Cocoa Beach. I almost bought one (prettiest damn thing you have ever seen) But he wanted a little much for it. Dont think I can justify another p32 anyway. I bought my first gen a few years back (blue Frame) because it was so different looking. I havent seen many since then, and the finish is holding up pretty well. I keep it in a soft lined holster that a friend custom made for it. I dont use it much anymore, I use the big boys at the range.

This is the thread that attracted me even though it's rather old. if I could chose to have a complete set of guns I would a .45/10mm for range and main shooter for it's sheer power, a .40 for it's satisfying ballistics and easy carry size and a small round pocket pistol.

I want it to match my Glock as much as possible but be so thin and light that it can hide well, Like a Derringer of the Old West. Now days this generally brought me to a .25 but I've never been very happy about that cartridge. .380 guns are about as big as ultra compact 9mm's so they seem kinda pointless. So I'm now looking at Kel Tec P-32. I don't really expect to fire it more than an occasional test shot.

I only have about 200 rounds thru mine. I tested it out in the beginning, and now I just put about 1 mag thru it periodically, to make sure itw orks. 32 ammo costs so damn much.

I did get the Armalaser for my Keltec .380.

1. Extreme short sight radius and minimal sights.
2. Reduced printing for pocket carry.
3. Tiny sights are impossible for fast follow-ups, and this gun is definately not a one-shot-stop affair... The laser allows me to get immediately back on target for accurate follow-ups.



I will have lasers on ALL of my defensive guns within the next 2-3 months. I feel that a laser system is simply THE best way to aim defensively.

Why:

1. You WILL be target focused, period. Forget about focus on the front sight. WON'T happen.
2. You WILL need to see everything going on around you and around your intended target. Accurate heads-up both-eyes-open shooting is imperative.
3. Use of cover. You can accurately shoot the gun without even aligning your face to the gun, and exposing yourself to fire.
4. Low-light shooting. NOTHING works like a laser in low light.

Yes, it can give your position away... but by the time the BG sees the laser, he's taking fire. If he's seeing the laser REALLY clearly, he's taking fire to the head.

Buy them. Practice with them. Use them.

JW

Hey, I like lasers, too. They're good for shooting on the move and from awkward positions, and in low light, as you alluded to in your points 3 and 4.

Originally Posted by JeffWard

1. You WILL be target focused, period. Forget about focus on the front sight. WON'T happen.

Why does everyone repeat this over and over on the internet? Not only can you look at the sights in combat, but people have done it hundreds of documented times. To definitively and flatly state that it is impossible is simply factually incorrect.

From Gunsite graduates to LAPD SWAT to the New York Stakeout Squad, gunfighters have looked at their sights and prevailed. It's just a fact, no matter how much claptrap we see on the internet from people selling classes in "point shooting." Bill Allard of the Stakeout Squad was once, in a class, asked his "secret" to winning over a dozen separate gunfights, some involving multiple opponents. He stood said, "My front sight has twelve striations in it." He sat back down.

Are there other ways to index a pistol in a fight? Sure. There are quite a few, actually. But don't dismiss sighted fire as impossible when it can, has, and will be done in gunfights. Successfully.

Just because some people can't do it, perhaps due to lack of training or panic in a fight, doesn't mean no one can.

2. You WILL need to see everything going on around you and around your intended target. Accurate heads-up both-eyes-open shooting is imperative.

You can do this pretty well while visually indexing the pistol, too, without lasers.

Yes, it can give your position away... but by the time the BG sees the laser, he's taking fire. If he's seeing the laser REALLY clearly, he's taking fire to the head.

Mainly true.

Crimson Trace has also documented some cases of the red dot deterring hostile action, which may be a minor benefit of laser sights. It's obviously not to be relied on, though.

Buy them. Practice with them. Use them.

I like 'em well enough. My wife has CTs on her (my former) Glock 26 and her CZ75B, and she will never give them up.

But as for me...the CT Glock unit bulks up the grip too much for my small hand, and beats up my thumb knuckle in weak-hand fire. I won't bother to add them to my 23, and will likely take them off my 17. I won't add them to a pocket pistol, the whole point of which is being tiny and light. I'm pretty much a minimalist, though, and am very confident in my abilities with a non-lasered pistol.