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    When I bought my P11, I did the same thing that you did. I looked at everything on paper, & I was sure that the P11 was the smarter move. You get more rounds, and the size doesn't seem that much bigger.

    My dad picked up a PF9, and it feels better to me. I like that it is a bit thinner, and the few ounces seem to make a difference. The trigger on the PF9 is MUCH better than my P11 trigger. I did end up selling the P11. I couldn't get used to the trigger, and the overall feel of the gun bothered me.

    I would think about picking up a PF9 if the price were right. Unfortunately, I have a long list of guns that I would like to pick up someday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nailer View Post
    The only question I have about my keltec p3at is will a .380 caliber be adequate in an emergency. Is a 9mm or 45 acp better? Sure shot placement is important, but in an emergency with adrenoline pumping and hands shaking more power may be better than placement.
    How are you going to carry? If you are going to use a wallet holster then check first to see if the 9mm will conceal satisfactorily. In either case (9mm or .380) you will be consuming a pocket. The questions become: weight and thickness. The height and width will fit most pockets. The thickness of the 9mm is .88" which is thinner than my actual wallet so thickness should not be a problem.

    So it boils down to weight. Will the extra 7 ounces make the carry too heavy?

    If you are using some other form of carry the weight difference should not be a factor. On the belt you will not feel the 7 ounces; on a ankle rig you will quickly acclimate to the heavier weapon.

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    My Kel-Tec stable

    Bought my first Kel-Tec P-3AT about three months ago, now I have four and I love shooting all of them. From top left clockwise PF-9, P-3AT/2G, P-32/2G, P-32/1G.


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    I've been very happy with my PF9 so far and would not hesitate to buy another Kel-Tec product if I wanted or needed another model firearm that they make.

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    I've owned 2 Kel-Tec's P-11 and P-32.I won't buy another one.

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    Had the little .32. Had nothing but problems from the get go. So I got one of the "bad" ones, and won't be going back.
    Eli

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    PF-9=Daily carry

    Honestly had some issues when I first got it. Sent it back for a new slide. Had some FTE and FTF as well as some "return to battery" failures. Worried about it awhile then visited Kel-Tec PF-9 forum over at KTOG.org and followed the examples for a modest Fluff-n-Buff. Now with that and about 1,000 rnds downrange can honestly say I bet my life on it gladly.

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    Overall I think shooters are far too accepting of functional failures of firearms. If you bought a car and the engine stalled all the time and the manufacturer said, "Well, it is a fussy eater. Try Sunoco instead of Exxon next time.", you would go ballistic.

    If you stepped on the brakes than the car spun out because only 3 of the 4 brakes worked and you brought it back to the dealer and he said, "Well, for the first 20,000 miles you need to break in the car before it stops straight." you would go similarly ballistic.

    But with a handgun we are far more forgiving. It is an error that needs to be corrected from the grass roots. As long as we remain accepting of failures, the manufacturers will produce defective goods. The manufacturers should be held more accountable. They should have a mechanism that effectively cycles the weapon mechanically for several hundred cycles so no break in is required. If only certain ammo will work with the weapon then it should come with a notice that says, "Certified to function satisfactorily with the following ammunition..."

    Until we, as shooters, become more demanding, then they, as manufacturers, will remain lax.

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    Great point Packard, however, those guns cost $1500-$2000 and are made by Wilson, Les Baer and Kimber. Added QA requires expensive equipment and labor. I'd prefer a $300 concealable life-saver that I need to "own". Remember when we had to use "feeler gauges" to set spark plug gap and manually adjust carb jetting and distributor timing? Same thing in my opinion. I appreciate being able to afford a small weapon and don't mind "honing" it to a razor sharp edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamik1 View Post
    Great point Packard, however, those guns cost $1500-$2000 and are made by Wilson, Les Baer and Kimber. Added QA requires expensive equipment and labor. I'd prefer a $300 concealable life-saver that I need to "own". Remember when we had to use "feeler gauges" to set spark plug gap and manually adjust carb jetting and distributor timing? Same thing in my opinion. I appreciate being able to afford a small weapon and don't mind "honing" it to a razor sharp edge.
    Baer still recommends a break in. Kimbers are supposedly fussy about ammo. I don't think money can buy the over-the-counter reliability we should demand. My old Colt 1911 and my old Colt Commander were reliable right out of the box. Why is that? Of course back then revolvers reigned supreme and everyone expected, and demanded out-of-the-box reliability. Back then manufacturers were held much more accountable.

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    If someone is buying a 32 or 380 be it kel tec or others, accuracy should not be an issue--if it is, you are using the wrong type of gun and if you are target shooting at say 10 plus yards, you are, IMO, throwing away ammo money. The gun is a 25 footer at best and is a perfect concealed point and shoot weapon---lasers just take up space and require that tiny fraction of a second to acquire that you will not have. Just sayin.

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    Probably not.

    I own one and I'm really not impressed with it.

    They are a inexpensive gun.

    But their quality leaves a lot to be desired. imho

    I usually go by the rule

    "buy quality "used" before cheap new"


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    I have the P3AT and although I favor a larger caliber, the KelTec is the only gun I can conceal in the Texas heat. I carry in a pocket holster in my right front pocket when I cannot carry a larger handgun under a covering jacket. All things considered the first rule of a gunfight comes to mind....Have a Gun!!

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    I have to ditto what Texcowboy wrote. In Arizona the Kel-Tec is easy to conceal during hot weather. Mine isn't pretty but while it is in my pocket I dont' care. My P3AT is very reliable and I practice a lot to remain proficient with it. The only other daily carry gun I might replace it with is the Sig P238. The Sig is much easier to shoot well but it costs $600 vs the Kel-Tec at $300. I would buy the Kel-tec again given the same circumstances and what I know now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodogs View Post
    Kel-Tec owners only - Would you buy another Kel-Tec?

    I have read conflicting information about the guns, and I would like to hear from those that own/ed them. Please share the good, the bad, & the ugly stories.

    It seems to me that they can have some feeding issues when new, as well as some accuracy issues. I am also under the impression that the c-service is awesome!

    I am not looking for a range gun - something convenient to carry & reliable once it is broken in.

    THANKS!
    I have three Kel Tec pistols, and they all work fine for me. I am sold on their product and carry my P3AT daily, along with a spare magazine. I did order the base plate finger extentions from Kel Tec, along with an additional recoil guide rod and spare springs for each pistol. Some people ask too much of these small pistols at times, then when they don't deliver, they get all bent outta shape. Can you run as many "trouble free" rounds down the tube on a Kel Tec pistol that you can your Glock or SIG? Probably not, but the Kel Tecs don't cost 600$ either. JMHO.

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    Well...best I can say is I might.
    My first P3AT was stolen.
    2nd one had a well known problem to Kel Tec.
    When I contacted customer service I was told if the recoil spring has not come through
    the frame yet....don't worry about it. Even though there was evidence that it was peened in that spot.
    That left me with the vision of some day when I most needed it to go bang--I'd see the recoil spring
    hanging out the frame and no bang. Got rid of the P3AT.
    But lately I have been thinking of a PF9---does that make me forgiving, wise or dopey?

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    I have a Kel-Tec pistol and I have two of their SUB-2000's.
    I am considering another Kel-Tec. I am happy with their products!

    Lateck,

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    never leave home without it.......think the answer is obvious from most i read...... for what they are they are the best

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    I just bought a P32

    I think that the P32 is probably the best gun they make
    Fiocchi ammo in FMJ is what I am using - it is the hottest 32acp on the market and FMJ will give the best penetration

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    Yep! I own a P32 that is with me most times. Not alot of fun @ the range, but that's not what I bought it for. It gets shot at the range enough for me to stay proficient and that's what matters!

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