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    New PF9 - initial impressions.

    With the proceeds from selling off a couple of guns I never use anymore (a pseudo-scout rifle and a Buckmark .22), yesterday I swung by one of my local gun merchants and picked up a new KelTec PF9. For pocket carry in the sweltering Arizona summer, I wanted to upgrade to 9mm from my previous .380, which has now been appropriated by my wife.

    Before I purchased it, I slipped it into the pocket of my shorts. Excellent fit! The pistol is light and very flat for a 9mm, and should carry well in the pocket. The merchant didn't have the belt clip in stock, so I will have to order from KelTec before I can report on "carryability" in my running attire, which is my secondary use for this gun.

    The pistol itself is a typical KelTec product, meaning it's ugly and a little crude compared to a more refined pistol like a SIG or Beretta. The non-illuminated three-dot sights are blocky and good - far better than on the P32/P3AT - though tight, with little light showing on either side of the front sight.

    Trigger action is slightly improved over the P3AT, light and very smooth for the first 4/5ths of its travel, then stacking up at the end. This should be reasonably easy to shoot well, though the reset, while properly firm, is not anywhere near as short as on a Glock.

    The frame has a little slotted rail for attaching lights or lasers. Since this is a pocket gun for me, with a premium on light weight and compactness, I will attach neither.

    The grip area is comfortable, with trigger reach well-suited to my small hand. The frame is very thin, lending itself well to my purposes of pocket/running shorts carry. Grip angle is "1911ish" in contrast to the steeper Glock grip angle.

    I haven't had an opportunity to shoot it yet, and my family is arriving from New England today, so a full range report will have to wait. I have attached some pics showing the PF9 with a P32 (the wife had already slipped the P3AT into her purse) and the ubiquitous Glock 26, for size comparisons. As you can see, the PF9 is somewhat larger than the P32, and thicker. It is also about the same height as the Glock, but shorter in length and decisively thinner.

    As a side note, anyone in Arizona's East Valley who hasn't been to AJI in Apache Junction lately should stop in. Gun selection and quality of service improved tremendously while I was deployed. It was an excellent buying experience this time around, contrary to my earlier experiences there.
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    Hurry up and shoot it and report back. I am (was) seriously considering one (not sure now 'cause I just ordered a PSP). Was that a Glock next to the PF9 in the top view (3rd pic)? My questions was going to be how does it compare to slide thickness with the G22 size slide? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you admonish me a while back for wanting a belt clip? What changed your mind? The PF9 will most likely be my next purchase when my gunstashmoney gets built back up. Seems like it would work well in South/Central Tx also.

    What gun in the last pic has the clip on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    Hurry up and shoot it and report back. I am (was) seriously considering one (not sure now 'cause I just ordered a PSP). Was that a Glock next to the PF9 in the top view (3rd pic)? My questions was going to be how does it compare to slide thickness with the G22 size slide? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you admonish me a while back for wanting a belt clip? What changed your mind? The PF9 will most likely be my next purchase when my gunstashmoney gets built back up. Seems like it would work well in South/Central Tx also.
    Yes, the third pic has a Glock 26 on the left, the PF9 on the right. The PF9 is much narrower than the Glock.

    I've been using belt clips on various KelTecs for years, so I don't think I'd admonish anyone for using one on a KelTec or other pistol with a long, DA-style trigger. I do think they are absolutely terrible, dangerous ideas on short-trigger guns like Glocks - at least if the intent is to carry the Glock loaded!
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    Thanks for the reply. Having never handled a PF9 I didn't realize it was so much smaller than the G26/27. How would you compare the G26 trigger to the PF9 trigger? The PF9 certainly seems to be the ideal gun for hot weather, steamy weather, pocket or waistband ultra concealable carry, etc.

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    The PF9 trigger is more like a DA trigger than the Glock. For the first shot, there's a long, relatively light (maybe 6-7 pounds) pull that stacks distinctly at the end. I don't mean stacking like the smooth, gradual stacking of a Colt revolver trigger - more like a distinct hitch or pause. I actually like this, as it lets me settle my sights perfectly before pressing off the shot.

    The reset is Glock-like, in that it is firm and distinct, but definitely longer than on the Glock. EDIT: see posts below for more info on reset. I wasn't fully understanding the design until forestranger corrected me, which I appreciate.

    I like the gun. It's small, narrow and very reasonably priced. If it's reliable, it may become my new summer carry pistol.
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    Thanks. Guess I'll have to go to Austin or San Antonio and fondle one!

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    Mike, u probably have read all of this but as owner of 2 for year & half, some lessons learned: the area of grip where inside of thumb fits may cause some discomfort-little sandpaper there helps. If u don't like the recoil, try set of Hardball Jr slip-ons, they make recoil non-issue for me. Trigger return is like shooting DA revolver, have to let trigger fully return or can short-stroke it like DA revolver. Some don't like 147 gr. Hope u like it,

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    Quote Originally Posted by forestranger View Post
    Mike, u probably have read all of this but as owner of 2 for year & half, some lessons learned: the area of grip where inside of thumb fits may cause some discomfort-little sandpaper there helps. If u don't like the recoil, try set of Hardball Jr slip-ons, they make recoil non-issue for me. Trigger return is like shooting DA revolver, have to let trigger fully return or can short-stroke it like DA revolver. Some don't like 147 gr. Hope u like it,
    Good info, thanks! Understood on the trigger: long reset, not like a Glock. Not sure it's quite as long as a DA revolver, but then again I don't have any revolvers to compare it to anymore! There are two distinct clicks when the trigger resets, so it has to go forward to the second click to reset. This may be a challenge for me as a Glock shooter.

    Looking at the gun, I can see what you mean about the corner where the inside of the thumb contacts the pistol. We'll see how it goes under recoil. I have cut-down Handall Jrs on my P3AT and P32, and they work really well. If this gun bothers me as you describe, I'll try that as a first step.

    My plan is to try a variety of bullet weights. If the 147s are a no-go, I'll just use 124s.
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    Check the serial number against the database on KTOG forum. If it's not one of the latest revision, it will show its problems. Look at their PF-9 subforum. There are many negative feedback threads. The few that like that gun are probably those who put 50 rounds through it, cleaned it, then had it in a holster ever since.

    I found it easier to shoot one handed. I seemed to struggle holding that thing with both hands. I like having all my fingers holding it unlike guns with really short grips.

    I have one and had to send it back to Keltec. They replaced the frame and shipped it back. I've only put maybe 25 rounds through it since and got one light primer strike. I just don't trust it like I do my XDs.

    Good luck with that.

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    Got 1000+ rds thru oldest PF9 and 500+ thru newest one. Neither been back. Polished ramp and chamber and keep it lubed. Shoot 6 mags thru at least one usually both once/month. Always shoot carry loads first w/ gun just like it is, then switch to practice loads. Only problem I've had is walking ejector pin on oldest R02xx and fixed that myself. Newest one R47xx doesn't have that problem.

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    Mike, on a side note, what's that backstrap thingy on the Glock in that pic? I don't think I've seen that before.

    Good luck with the gun. I'd have considered it myself except it is not sold in CA. That explains my interest in the PM9.

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    Mike, I'm awake at 4:30-5am this morning, so I'll chime in.

    That's a Crimson Trace Laser Grip on the Glock.

    The palm swell is the battery, and the lump on the backstrap is the activation button.

    Just from glancing at it in the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    Mike, I'm awake at 4:30-5am this morning, so I'll chime in.

    That's a Crimson Trace Laser Grip on the Glock.

    The palm swell is the battery, and the lump on the backstrap is the activation button.

    Just from glancing at it in the pictures.

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    Well, that thought crossed my mind but Mike Barham with a laser? Never thought that would happen.

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    Jeff is on the money, of course. It's a Crimson Trace laser unit. I actually have them on two of my three Glocks. The 26 in the pictures has been appropriated by my wife, and she loves the laser. I will probably take the laser unit off my Glock 17, however, since I am pretty much a minimalist when it comes to gear and not crazy about the CT Glock design.
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    That CT on your Glock is an interesting design. Sort of a half grip. What, does that screw on? I saw one in a gun store on a 92FS but it was a full grip, and I think it was more of a slip-on design, but I might be wrong. Made the hold way too fat IMO.

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    It attaches by replacing a pin in the polymer backstrap. Takes about thirty seconds to install.

    The Crimson Trace Glock design makes the gun too thick for good belt carry (at least for me), beats up my thumb knuckle in weak-hand fire, and forces me to take a lower-than-ideal grip on the pistol.
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    I'm sure you'll have plenty of buyers.... lol

    Mike, do me a favor... Before you pull the laser, run some speed tests on split times vs. multiple targets... ie. 2 shots on a 7M target, 2 on a 10M target, then 2 on a 5M target... for total e.t.

    Then pull the laser, and run it again... no laser, same test.

    You might be taking 30 seconds to put it BACK on...

    Just a thought.

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    I'm sure you've heard of the walking ejector pin issue. It's one of the most common issues with these. If not, Google it.

    Also, press in on the mag release when you insert the magazine. The magazine catch/release thing is made of soft plastic and each time you insert a magazine, it shaves off some of the plastic. Eventually, that magazine will pop out each time you shoot. When I sent my PF-9 back to Keltec for the walking pin issue, they "fixed" the magazine catch issue by taking the magazine to a grinder.


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    Mike,
    Maybe i missed it and you said more elswhere, but where is that "more complete range report" you threatened us with?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by niadhf View Post
    Mike,
    Maybe i missed it and you said more elswhere, but where is that "more complete range report" you threatened us with?
    Thanks
    I haven't shot it enough to write anything close to a complete range report yet. So far so good with WWB ball, generic Winchester JHPs, and Golden Sabers. Carries very well in the front pocket or on the ankle. No mechanical issues thus far.
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