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    Ammo for your P3AT?

    P3AT's seem to be really common as BUGs and pocket guns on this site. They are really cheap, easy to find, and obviously pocket-packable.

    1) With the limited ballistics, and velocity of the .380, and with the tiny-short barrel of the Keltec, what ammo do you carry? Hollow-point? FMG? What bullet weight?

    2) If you currently own a pocket .380, and you had it to do all over again, would you keep what you've got, or trade to something else?

    3) Keltec 9mm opinions?

    I'm shopping for toy number 5? 6? Where am I?

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    I posted a similar question regarding ammo for a PF-9. Some people carried the standard 115 gr for 9mm. Most carried the more popular self defense ammo -- 124 gr in standard or +P pressures. I don't recall anyone responding with the same concerns of short barrels and really light pistols. I was hoping for something light for reduced recoil assuming the increased velocity would make up for the reduced mass.

    EFMJ seems to be a good alternative but everything is still up in the air for me.

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    1. I carry Hornady XTP's (HP's) in my P3AT, mostly because I can find it locally and it feeds without problems. I cannot remember the bullet weight.

    2. I like my KT just fine, so I would do it all over again.

    3. The P11 has a very long and very heavy trigger, so I didn't care for it very much. The one I used did function just fine, and fits my hand quite well. I've not used their other 9mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    1) With the limited ballistics, and velocity of the .380, and with the tiny-short barrel of the Keltec, what ammo do you carry? Hollow-point? FMG? What bullet weight?
    I use the 90 grain Gold Dot. It's reliable. I don't put much effort into ammo selection, though, since all pocket pistols are puny weapons that require good shot placement to be effective. I expect to have to make multiple hits, possibly head shots, and practice accordingly.

    2) If you currently own a pocket .380, and you had it to do all over again, would you keep what you've got, or trade to something else?
    I'd buy the KelTec again. However, that is because it is very much a secondary gun for me, worn when I am dressed so that I cannot carry a bigger gun (read: Glock ) on my belt. I am giving some very preliminary thought to pretty much eliminating belt carry and going to strictly pocket carry, though. If that becomes the case, I will get a Kahr PM9.

    3) Keltec 9mm opinions?
    I assume you mean PF9? I haven't shot it. I think at this point I'd much rather have a PM9.
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    I'm no expert, but from what I've read the Corbon 90GR is among the best.

    I haven't heard anything about the 95 GR Ranger SXTs I found, but I believe they're pretty effective.

    Outdoor Warehouse has 85GR Silvertips for $33 a box of 50... no thanks!


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    I carry a P3AT every day and it is my Bug when I go out. I use Mag-Tech Gold 85gr HPs. To me it is a last chance gun.

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    I love my P3AT and have no issues with power or reliablity for a pocket gun. I have used all types of ammo, and have never had a failure or problem of any kind. I recently got some Cor Bon 90gr JHP, and as I said on another post, even if I miss the perp, I will blind him for sure, as the muzzle flash is quite spectacular. I am not a ballistics expert, but I think this load is about as hot as anything available in .380.

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    Federal Hydrashoks in my P3AT. Can't remember the weight and don't feel like running upstairs to look.

    I'd buy it again. Is it a gun you take to the range and fire all day? No. As I've said earlier, IMO it kicks like a mule. But it serves it's purpose of a small, reliable gun very well.

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    So does anyone use handloads for their Kel Tecs? If so, how do you load them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Federal Hydrashoks in my P3AT. Can't remember the weight and don't feel like running upstairs to look.

    I'd buy it again. Is it a gun you take to the range and fire all day? No. As I've said earlier, IMO it kicks like a mule. But it serves it's purpose of a small, reliable gun very well.
    I agree with this but there's also the side that says you have to be proficient at the pistol you carry. I realize there's no universal number of rounds shot to be considered proficient but it's surely hard to keep shooting a pocket pistol when it hurts after two magazines back to back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by propellerhead View Post
    I agree with this but there's also the side that says you have to be proficient at the pistol you carry. I realize there's no universal number of rounds shot to be considered proficient but it's surely hard to keep shooting a pocket pistol when it hurts after two magazines back to back.
    It depends on your definition of proficient. Is it only the X of a silhouette target? Or is it just in the area of center mass? At what yardage? Me, I'm happy with anything that will take out a vital organ. So by my definition, I'm proficient with the P3AT for my needs, since I view the P3AT as an extreme close quarters weapon. I never intend to use beyond, say, 5 yards, so that's what I practice with. And at that close yardage, it doesn't take a lot of rounds to get the results I'm looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Federal Hydrashoks in my P3AT. Can't remember the weight and don't feel like running upstairs to look.

    I'd buy it again. Is it a gun you take to the range and fire all day? No. As I've said earlier, IMO it kicks like a mule. But it serves it's purpose of a small, reliable gun very well.
    +1 what Todd said.

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    I guess I'll have to go lay a P3AT, a P9, P11, and the Walther single-stack 9mm all side by side on the counter...

    I'm hesitant to leave the 9mm-minimum margin, since so many new 9mm's are true pocket guns...

    Heaven forbid... more shopping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    I guess I'll have to go lay a P3AT, a P9, P11, and the Walther single-stack 9mm all side by side on the counter...

    I'm hesitant to leave the 9mm-minimum margin, since so many new 9mm's are true pocket guns...

    Heaven forbid... more shopping.
    That was my thought exactly. I already have a stockpile of target practice 9mm, .40SW and .45ACP and a few boxes of personal defense ammo for those same calibers. I didn't want to add yet another pile. The Keltec PF-9 is only slightly bigger than the P3AT but it is still very light. I think it's the lightweight that really makes a pocket pistol a pocket pistol.

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    this is a gun for close range so at 10 feet or less it probably doesn't make a lot of difference does it
    - for closer ranges - the best is not shoot straight in, but shoot in the gut at an angle up or down for maximum internal tissue damage

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    It's a smell their breath gun. Two in the head and repeat if necessary. All with in 10' to 15' max. That's my plan anyway. Sure hope it works.

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    COR-BON +P 90gr JHP works well in mine.
    I can really feel (and see) the difference between this and my practice ammo!

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    In My NAA 380

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    This thread is awesome, I am glad this was posted, I go in for my final step for my carry permit, and this pitsol is #1 on my list of things! Seems like what my dad carries is common liked here Corbon, but his is the .32 had the .380 been out when he got his he said that would have been what he would have done.

    EDIT: I plan to practice at three distances 10ft 15ft, 25ft I figure anything closer I am not gonna draw, especially if they are physically stronger.

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    I view the P3AT as an extreme close quarters weapon. I never intend to use beyond, say, 5 yards
    this is a gun for close range so at 10 feet or less
    It's a smell their breath gun
    Why does everyone seem to assume that the gun they happen to be carrying will have any bearing on the circumstances of the fight? It's not like we, as defenders, can control the avenue of attack. All we can do is react to it. Just because we are carrying a pocket gun is no guarantee that we will have the "luxury" of an opponent inside what we consider the practical range of that gun, or be presented with a comparatively easy, unobstructed, frontal COM shot.

    The gun we carry has no influence on our opponent's action before the fight. He, not us, decides the initial engagement distance. Therefore, we can't say, "This gun is okay because I only plan to shoot a guy at very short range with it." Our plans don't mean squat; our fight will begin by reacting to our attacker(s).

    Or do we plan on holding fire on the guy with the rifle at the mall when he's ten meters away? Or the guy shooting at us from behind the parked car a dozen steps away? Or the guy holding up the convenience store where our wife is checking out, and we're standing in the back of the store?

    Granted, the P3AT sucks as a gun to shoot at any kind of distance, and most fights happen at very short range. But comments like this make me think folks assume they will have a lot more control of the fight than they will in reality. By definition, a defensive situation means we have lost control of our environment, and desperately need to regain control of it.

    I sometimes carry a P3AT, but harbor no illusions I wouldn't be vastly better off with one of my Glocks, which give me the ability to react effectively to a much broader range of circumstances. I don't rationalize the gun. I just accept that it is a substandard fighting tool that can be carried when the bigger gun isn't practical.

    Simply put, the fact that I am in swim trucks, a tailored suit, or my Class A uniform is no guarantee that my opponent will only start the fight within ten or fifteen feet.
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