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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    PM 40 w/ ArmaLaser.

    Fantastic Post-Break-In. After the first few boxes (where I experienced a few battery issues) it's been fine.

    Zero Failures.

    Light, compact, powerful, manageable.

    Buy one.
    My first small, light 45 (a circa 1985 alloy frame compact Taurus) gave me fits in the beginning with ejection issues. After about 100 rounds this problem disappeared and I laid that to break-in issues.

    But then I let a friend of mine shoot is (he had a full sized 45) and he had ejection issues with the "broken in" weapon.

    I then modified my thoughts on this. I believe that in the beginning I did not have a really firm grip on the weapon and that was the cause of the stove pipe issues. Later on I got used to the weapon and improved my gripping technique (subtly as I did not notice the change in my grip) and that resolved the ejection issues.

    I suspect that many go to these very small weapons and face similar ejection/feed issues and blame it on the weapon when there is a very reasonable chance that the shooter has not properly adapted to the very small weapon in the beginning.

    Not that it makes much practical difference. Figure on 100 to 300 rounds before reliable performance with a very small weapon (from my experience and from reading various threads here).

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    I bought a K9 back in 1997 and have never had a reliability issue with it in all those years. It was my daily ccw for many years and has been through countless range sessions.

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    Ditto

    Quote Originally Posted by falshman70 View Post
    I have the P9 and have put about 300 rounds of hardball through it, with not a single hiccup.
    . . . What he said

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    K40 (all steel). Never had a problem of any kind. It is my CCW piece (and I like the feel of that "all steel" weight over the lite weight versions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrCelica View Post
    I've heard some mixed reviews about Kahr's reliability. So I would like to hear from people that actually own a Kahr as to how reliable they are. If you had to do it over again, would you still buy a Kahr?
    Kahr CW45 owner. I will never buy another Kahr, they are totally unreliable.

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    Kahr CW 40 Problems

    After around 1000 rounds through a new CW 40, I now believe it's reliable enough to carry. However, I had to install a new slide lockback spring and found that one factory magazine was still causing problems with premature lockback.

    I've written about this problem here as well.

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    I have a Kahr 9mm. I had lots of battery problems in the first 500 rounds. I called Kahr and they said send it back. I went online. Found someone who had similar problems. Turns out some Kahrs love oil. I put extra extra oil on it and it is flawless.

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    Here is what my new (used) Kahr is doing:
    If I load either 6 round magazine of 7 round magazine with FMJ ball ammo, it will load properly every time, with or without the slide being forward when I put the magazine in the pistol.

    HOWEVER, when I put hollow points into the magazines and attempt to load them with the slide already forward (then racking the slide to load the round), the hollow points will jam into the ramp and not load 80% of the time, but on the first round only.

    When I load the mags with HP's in it with the slide locked back, it will always load the hollow points. The hollow points in question are: Federal Hydrashok 124gr +P, Gold Dot 124gr +P Hollow Point Short Barrel, and USA Ammo 115gr HP (most rounded of the three).

    So, one question: Does this really matter? When I load the first round, I am not usually in a bad situation...and the slide is back. At the range, the slide is always back when I load. Still, it is a problem and annoys me.

    1) Is there any HP ammo that will not exhibit this problem?
    2) Should I sent the gun to Kahr for repair? (I am not the original purchaser...will that matter?) I don't want to put much more money in this.
    3) Should I sell the gun?

    Now what?
    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by cclaxton View Post
    Here is what my new (used) Kahr is doing:
    If I load either 6 round magazine of 7 round magazine with FMJ ball ammo, it will load properly every time, with or without the slide being forward when I put the magazine in the pistol.

    HOWEVER, when I put hollow points into the magazines and attempt to load them with the slide already forward (then racking the slide to load the round), the hollow points will jam into the ramp and not load 80% of the time, but on the first round only.

    When I load the mags with HP's in it with the slide locked back, it will always load the hollow points. The hollow points in question are: Federal Hydrashok 124gr +P, Gold Dot 124gr +P Hollow Point Short Barrel, and USA Ammo 115gr HP (most rounded of the three).

    So, one question: Does this really matter? When I load the first round, I am not usually in a bad situation...and the slide is back. At the range, the slide is always back when I load. Still, it is a problem and annoys me.

    1) Is there any HP ammo that will not exhibit this problem?
    2) Should I sent the gun to Kahr for repair? (I am not the original purchaser...will that matter?) I don't want to put much more money in this.
    3) Should I sell the gun?

    Now what?
    Thanks,
    I've written a lot about my issues with a Kahr CW 40 at Talk Handguns. Here's what Kahr says in their Q & A related to your issue:

    Q. My firearm fails to chamber the first round when I pull back the slide and release it. What is wrong?

    A. It is likely you are either failing to pull the slide fully back or you are riding the slide as you release it. We recommend that you lock back the slide, insert the clip, and release the slide with the slide stop. This will require that you carry a load in the chamber for self defense purposes. However, the passive safety system will prevent the pistol from firing unless the trigger is pulled, even if the gun is dropped. If you would prefer not to carry a round in the chamber, you may remove a round from the magazine. This alters the angle of the bullet and will allow it to chamber even if you ride the slide.
    >>Back to top

    I didn't know when I purchased that Kahr prefers you to chamber the first round by releasing a locked back slide, but I've gotten used to it.

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    That posting from Kahr seems like they are admitting to a know design flaw. That effectively takes the gun from a 6+1 gun to a 6 round gun because you can't have 6 rounds in the mag once you close the slide, or you may face the problem.

    Have you tried the Hornady Critical Defense round under this situation? It has a bullet with a much steeper bullet angle. It is at least $22 a box, so not sure if I want to spend money just to try it. Have you heard of FMHP (Full Metal Hollow Point) ammo? It has a shape like FMJ, but is a hollow point.

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    Found a Way to avoid FTF's when inserting Mag with slide closed.

    So, I had an idea about this problem and took the pistol to the range to test my theory. My theory is that if I put a round in the chamber before loading the magazine, released the slide, and THEN load the Magazine, would bullet jam on the ramp on the next round (top round in the magazine)???

    And, my idea worked wonderfully! I tried the following hollow points:
    Federal 9mm Hydrashok +P,
    Georgia Arms 147gr reloads,
    GoldDot 124gr +P Short Barrel,
    USAammo 115gr new (speer brass),
    Partizan 147gr.

    And, I tried both the 6 round and 7 round magazines.

    I had a box of Winchester Ranger +P+, but decided against it since that is what started the whole thing.

    I also added a Hogue HandAll Junior and it really reduces the irritation I was getting from the aggressive checkering.
    My confidence is higher....need more testing of ammo to get back to being as confident as my Bersa 380CC.

    Thanks,

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    Gee. I've heard this about EVERY single brand out there at one time or another! I've had lousy results with several "big" name brands while others have not, sometimes its using "reloads" and other times its limp wristing or lack of cleaning or . . . a bad magazine. You just have to go with your gut and personal experience I guess. Recommendations and advice are free as are opinions. Personally I don't care much for others opinions, I like to try out products for myself. I bought a Colt New Agent earlier this year and no matter what I did or what brand of ammo I tried I could never get thru a whole magazine w/o problems and jams. For me it was then a lack of confidence in the weapon and I got rid of it. For other Colt owners, they would tell you they haven't had any problems and I believe them. Use your best judgement and good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by proscene View Post
    Gee. I've heard this about EVERY single brand out there at one time or another! I've had lousy results with several "big" name brands while others have not, sometimes its using "reloads" and other times its limp wristing or lack of cleaning or . . . a bad magazine. You just have to go with your gut and personal experience I guess. Recommendations and advice are free as are opinions. Personally I don't care much for others opinions, I like to try out products for myself. I bought a Colt New Agent earlier this year and no matter what I did or what brand of ammo I tried I could never get thru a whole magazine w/o problems and jams. For me it was then a lack of confidence in the weapon and I got rid of it. For other Colt owners, they would tell you they haven't had any problems and I believe them. Use your best judgement and good luck!
    Well honestly, I've heard bad things about Colt's as of late and I certainly have been coming to the conclusion that they aren't as reliable as they used to be (especially after shooting my buddys new colt commander last summer).

    I definitely take other people's opinions into consideration when buying a firearm, in this way I benefit from other's experiences without having to spend the $$ on crap... And there's a lot of crap out their in the firearms market, believe that.

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    True and a lot of the crap out there in the firearms market is peoples opinions.

    RCG

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    I have a P9 and a MK9.

    Both have been flawless and I typically carry one or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recoilguy View Post
    True and a lot of the crap out there in the firearms market is peoples opinions.

    RCG
    While that's true recoilguy, it's a matter of context. For instance, I've seen many MANY replies to different topics that state "It runs flawlessly, I love it", but when you ask the question of that same person about how many rounds they have thru the gun, it's generally a low number. The context in this instance is that their opinion isn't backed up by any substantial numbers. Any pistol can run well for a few hundred rounds when it's cleaned after every session, never carried and covered with dead skin and lint, and tucked away in the safe until the next range visit.

    My point, opinions are fine, as long as they are vetted. For instance, when someone asks my opinion on a gun that I've owned, it's backed up by round count and conditions. That sort of opinion should carry more weight than the "It ran flawless, I love it" sort of opinions. Not saying I'm all that and a bag of chips, just that if people are going to have an opinion on something, they should clarify what it is based on as to not give the ever present "sample of one" opinion that is rampant on gun forums.

    I'm pretty sure I pointed this out in the 1911 malfunction thread. Basically I think I said... "If you haven't had a malfunction in a gun, it's because you don't shoot it very hard."

    Now, I'm not advocating neglect of a firearm when it comes to cleaning by any means, but it's hard to believe it when people say they've never had a malfunction. Most times that I've encountered this kind of statement, once you dig a little deeper, it ends up that they didn't consider something a malfunction because they blame it on something else. Probably to maintain in their mind that their purchase was worth it. "Oh, it was bad ammo, bad magazine, I limp wristed it, the moon was in my eyes". That sort of stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cclaxton View Post
    So, I had an idea about this problem and took the pistol to the range to test my theory. My theory is that if I put a round in the chamber before loading the magazine, released the slide, and THEN load the Magazine, would bullet jam on the ramp on the next round (top round in the magazine)???

    And, my idea worked wonderfully! I tried the following hollow points:
    Federal 9mm Hydrashok +P,
    Georgia Arms 147gr reloads,
    GoldDot 124gr +P Short Barrel,
    USAammo 115gr new (speer brass),
    Partizan 147gr.

    And, I tried both the 6 round and 7 round magazines.

    I had a box of Winchester Ranger +P+, but decided against it since that is what started the whole thing.

    I also added a Hogue HandAll Junior and it really reduces the irritation I was getting from the aggressive checkering.
    My confidence is higher....need more testing of ammo to get back to being as confident as my Bersa 380CC.

    Thanks,
    Keep in mind that this is hard on extractors over time. Best process is to load the magazine, insert, rack the slide, then remove the magazine and top it off. That way the round is being slid under the extractor rather than the extractor having to "jump" the rim of the cartridge. Same principle but less stress on your extractor over time.

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    I would recommend taking a look at Hickok45 on youtube. He explains a lot for people and one thing he says about Kahrs...is that you must use the slide release otherwise the round will not properly seed. For some it will but you need to be flawless when manually releasing the slide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolinaxd45 View Post
    I just bought a slightly used CW40 and Im having problems with it ejecting live rounds... Has anyone else had this problem and what can I do to fix this. Thanks

    Tyler
    I have used CW40 and it hardly clears the ejection port. Try it with shorter cartridge leght

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    I have a CW9 and I havent had a single malfunction with it. I'd say I've put about 500 rounds through it. The only thing about it is that if you use the uhh... hold where you put both thumbs along the slide pointing towards your target it's (for me) almost impossible to not rest on the slide release so the slide doesn't hold to the rear when the last round of the magazine has been fired. Not a problem with the weapon, just something you have to get used to. It happens occasionally with my CZ and less with my glocks, but it is more of the shooters issue (me) than anything else.

    Other than that it seems to be a very reliable and solid pistol. The plastic frame looks cheaper than dirt, but for me it works fine. The glock 19 or 26 is what I carry on me though - because I am not the best pistol shooter in the world and the DAO trigger on the Kahrs is not quite as easy for me to be accurate with. If I had to do it over I would have saved a bit more and bought the K9 (all steel version).

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